On October 22, 2010 at 08:48 d...@dcrocker.net (Dave CROCKER) wrote:
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> On 10/21/2010 1:56 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
> > Well, if the DNS root servers ceased IPv4 service it'd be pretty much
> > a fait accompli as far as the public internet is concerned.
>
>
> Given the reality of fragment
Dave CROCKER wrote:
On 10/21/2010 1:56 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
Well, if the DNS root servers ceased IPv4 service it'd be pretty much
a fait accompli as far as the public internet is concerned.
Given the reality of fragmenting the DNS -- including its root -- that's
an action that well might
On 10/21/2010 1:56 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
Well, if the DNS root servers ceased IPv4 service it'd be pretty much
a fait accompli as far as the public internet is concerned.
Given the reality of fragmenting the DNS -- including its root -- that's an
action that well might backfire. Current fr
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:09:39 -0400
Jared Mauch wrote:
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> On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
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> > Anyhow, it might be an interesting topic to discuss in the appropriate
> > venues, IETF, "What is the cost of maintaining IPv4 forever?" but it's
> > getting a little ahead of ourselv
On 10/21/2010 9:09 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
Either way, it's an interesting time to be an edge operator that worries about CPE stuff.
those that think mostly about core this is a big fat *yawn* imho. Expect application
developers to face some interesting challenges. me? I'm waiting until I s
On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
> Anyhow, it might be an interesting topic to discuss in the appropriate
> venues, IETF, "What is the cost of maintaining IPv4 forever?" but it's
> getting a little ahead of ourselves in terms of any pressing need.
This is an interesting question.
On October 21, 2010 at 20:13 jba...@brightok.net (Jack Bates) wrote:
> On 10/21/2010 7:53 PM, Niels Bakker wrote:
> > * b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) [Thu 21 Oct 2010, 22:59 CEST]:
> >> And, of course, the RIRs could just cancel all the IPv4 route
> >> announcements, whatever they do if so
I think the words you're looking for are "revoked", "reclaimed", and
"returned" address space.
On October 22, 2010 at 02:53 niels=na...@bakker.net (Niels Bakker) wrote:
> * b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) [Thu 21 Oct 2010, 22:59 CEST]:
> >And, of course, the RIRs could just cancel all the IPv
On 10/21/2010 7:53 PM, Niels Bakker wrote:
* b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) [Thu 21 Oct 2010, 22:59 CEST]:
And, of course, the RIRs could just cancel all the IPv4 route
announcements, whatever they do if someone doesn't pay or whatever.
I think you're mistaking the default-free zone for Usen
On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Jared Mauch wrote:
>
>> How would you respond if that were announced? Carriers have been doing
>> technology transitions for years. Cidr to classless. Amps to CDMA or gsm...
>> This is not new.
>
> My next question
* b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) [Thu 21 Oct 2010, 22:59 CEST]:
And, of course, the RIRs could just cancel all the IPv4 route
announcements, whatever they do if someone doesn't pay or whatever.
I think you're mistaking the default-free zone for Usenet. The DFZ
doesn't have 'cmsg cancel' mes
> This doesn't mean IPv4 will disappear. Just like the 20+ year old machines
> that are still on the net via IPv4 -> legacy protocol gateways, pockets of
> IPv4 may exist for decades via similar devices -- but at that point, we just
> dismiss those guys as crackpots.
Maybe not quite crackpots,
From: "Michael Dillon"
To: "NANOG"
Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2010 9:24:57 AM
Subject: Re: IPv4 sunset date set for 2019-12-31
>> How would you respond if that were announced?
>
>> If I were king for a day,
>
> But you aren't. No one is.
>
> The
>> How would you respond if that were announced?
>
>> If I were king for a day,
>
> But you aren't. No one is.
>
> The core requirement for such announcements is that there be a real
> enforcement arm.
Not necessarily. If you announce that YOU will treat that date as a
sunset date for IPv4 and in
Well, if the DNS root servers ceased IPv4 service it'd be pretty much
a fait accompli as far as the public internet is concerned.
And, of course, the RIRs could just cancel all the IPv4 route
announcements, whatever they do if someone doesn't pay or whatever.
I'm not sure why any would do that s
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:59:38AM -0700, Majdi S. Abbas wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:52:19AM -0700, Dave CROCKER wrote:
>> > But you aren't. No one is.
>> >
>> > The core requirement for such announcements is that there be a real
>>
> They would be out of business the day they turn IPv4 off. So it will
> not
> happen.
IMO, this will not be a decision made by ICANN or a network provider. This will
be made by a platform/OS company.
Basically, once IPv6 is presumed ubiquitous (it doesn't have to be actually
ubiquitous) -- jus
> Oooh. Did someone say IPv8?
>
No god! Not this again!
Nathan Eisenberg
"Justin M. Streiner" wrote on 10/21/2010
01:58:46 PM:
> My next question would be "How many times will that get extended/pushed
> back because somebody screams loudly enough?". It will probably sunset
> around the time that v6 starts to run out of gas and people start
thinking
> about IPv8
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:59:38AM -0700, Majdi S. Abbas wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:52:19AM -0700, Dave CROCKER wrote:
> > But you aren't. No one is.
> >
> > The core requirement for such announcements is that there be a real
> > enforcement arm.
>
> If a couple of large carriers
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Jared Mauch wrote:
How would you respond if that were announced? Carriers have been doing
technology transitions for years. Cidr to classless. Amps to CDMA or
gsm... This is not new.
My next question would be "How many times will that get extended/pushed
back because som
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:52:19AM -0700, Dave CROCKER wrote:
> But you aren't. No one is.
>
> The core requirement for such announcements is that there be a real
> enforcement arm.
If a couple of large carriers set their own flag dates, and
turn off v4 at that point, it will be effecti
On 10/21/2010 10:42 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
How would you respond if that were announced?
...
If I were king for a day,
But you aren't. No one is.
The core requirement for such announcements is that there be a real enforcement
arm.
The best that can be done with respect to declaring a I
How would you respond if that were announced? Carriers have been doing
technology transitions for years. Cidr to classless. Amps to CDMA or gsm...
This is not new.
I do agree the incentives and technology don't exist in a desirable environment
but the "ip" feature creep we've seen make a soluti
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