Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-08-08 Thread Justin Shore
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: And, note carefully: some "dual-speed hubs" are actually a 10BT hub and a 100BT hub *with a switch between them*. I forget which brand I caught this on, but it bit me a couple of years back. 3COM Dual-Speed 10/100 hubs were this way. Got bit by that too back in the day

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-08-08 Thread Sam Stickland
All, On the subject of turning off mac learning on a switch, I've just discovered this - an unusual way of using RSPAN to force the MAC learning off on Cisco switches: http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/02/05/turning-switch-into-hub/ # Turn MAC learning on ports Fa0/1 - 3 vtp mode tran

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-08-01 Thread Paul Jakma
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Jon Kibler wrote: However, there is a problem with your specification: No hub (that I am aware of) can do 1Gbps. All hubs are 10/100 AFAIK. GigE is PtP at the physical-layer by the IEEE 802.3ad specification. It's just not possible to have a dumb, GigE hub. You have to ha

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-08-01 Thread Paul Jakma
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Paul Jakma wrote: GigE is PtP at the physical-layer by the IEEE 802.3ad specification. It's Gah, I meant 802.3ab, of course. just not possible to have a dumb, GigE hub. You have to have a switch that can be told to L2-forward everything to one or more ports (e.g. through

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Nickola Kolev
Hey, On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:00:36 +0100 Leon Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 31 Jul 2008, at 14:16, Juuso Lehtinen wrote: > > > Second that. > > > > Using hub to tap into a single link is also risky. I used to monitor > > single FE link with 100M hub. After link had moderate utilizatio

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Jon Meek
I have had the same problem and solved it with a rare (even then) 100BT Only hub. I still have at least one stashed away. For years though, I have been using bonding on Linux to combine multiple tap streams. We also use hardware aggregators for the higher volume applications. Jon On Thu, Jul 31,

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 02:47:11PM -0400, Jon Kibler wrote: Hubs are still available that are REAL hubs. I got 4 netgears about a year ago and they are still available. However, there is a problem with your specification: No hub (that I a

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 02:47:11PM -0400, Jon Kibler wrote: > Hubs are still available that are REAL hubs. I got 4 netgears about a > year ago and they are still available. > > However, there is a problem with your specification: No hub (that I am > aware of) can do 1Gbps. All hubs are 10/100 AFAI

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Leon Ward
On 31 Jul 2008, at 14:16, Juuso Lehtinen wrote: Second that. Using hub to tap into a single link is also risky. I used to monitor single FE link with 100M hub. After link had moderate utilization >20%, collision led was lit all the time. I've had good experience with VSS Monitoring Ether

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Juuso Lehtinen
Second that. Using hub to tap into a single link is also risky. I used to monitor single FE link with 100M hub. After link had moderate utilization >20%, collision led was lit all the time. I've had good experience with VSS Monitoring Ethernet Aggregator taps. Also Catalyst 2960 SPAN seems to wor

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Joel Jaeggli
assuming the analysis software you have can read the dot1q tags, but means you do not need to burn two ports per monitor. -Original Message- From: James Pleger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 19:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hardware capture platforms There

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-31 Thread Sam Stickland
Lynda wrote: Warren Kumari wrote: What I am looking for is: Small enough to live in my notebook bag (e.g.: 4 port with a wall wart.) Cheap Simple 10/100/1000Mbps I don't believe that such a thing ever existed. Hubs that did 10/100, certainly, but I've never ever seen a hub that did gig speed

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread Larry J. Blunk
Warren Kumari wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Darryl Dunkin wrote: Hubs sure are fun... This might be a stupid question, but where can one get small hubs these days? All of the common commodity (eg: 4 port Netgear) "hubs" these days are actually switches. What I am looking for is:

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out Endace cards, that will let you do line rate gig e or better and has native libpcap interface. I believe Endace also have a productized box containing their capture cards (NinjaProbe); it can be used to capture packets, and ca

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread David Newman
Jon Kibler wrote: Hubs are still available that are REAL hubs. I got 4 netgears about a year ago and they are still available. However, there is a problem with your specification: No hub (that I am aware of) can do 1Gbps. All hubs are 10/100 AFAIK. Grand Junction made a gigabit Ethernet repea

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread nathan
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, John A. Kilpatrick wrote: We've deployed a bunch taps in our network and now we need a platform on which to capture the data. Our bandwidth is currently pretty low but I've got 8 links to tap, which means I need 16 ports. Has anyone done any research on doing accurate pa

RE: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread Matthew Huff
| One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.otaotr.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139 -Original Message- From: Lynda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:52 PM To: Nanog Subject: Re: Hardware capture platf

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread Lynda
Warren Kumari wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Darryl Dunkin wrote: Hubs sure are fun... This might be a stupid question, but where can one get small hubs these days? All of the common commodity (eg: 4 port Netgear) "hubs" these days are actually switches. True enough. For those

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread Jon Kibler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Darryl Dunkin wrote: > >> Hubs sure are fun... >> > > This might be a stupid question, but where can one get small hubs these > days? All of the common commodity (eg: 4 port Netgear) "hubs" the

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread Warren Kumari
to burn two ports per monitor. -Original Message- From: James Pleger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 19:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hardware capture platforms There are several things that you can do with open source solutions, however looking at the da

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-30 Thread Leon Ward
On 30 Jul 2008, at 03:26, James Pleger wrote: Something you might want to look into is traffic aggregation with a switch or hub. You can buy an Allied Telesyn switch and basically turn it into a hub by disabling switchport learning. Just an idea. Never try to aggregate multiple TAPs with a hu

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread Manish Karir
trick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Hardware capture platforms To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We've deployed a bunch taps in our network and now we need a platform on which to capture the data.

RE: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread Darryl Dunkin
need to burn two ports per monitor. -Original Message- From: James Pleger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 19:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hardware capture platforms There are several things that you can do with open source solutions, however looking at the

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread James Pleger
There are several things that you can do with open source solutions, however looking at the data may be a bit more difficult than something like Network Generals or Solera Networks capture appliances. It is still doable and is definitely much much cheaper... Something you might want to look into i

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread Network Fortius
Richard's blog @ http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/search?q=taps and especially his books (Tao of Network Security Monitoring and Extrusion Detection) are the best sources I have ever found, concerning [not only] taps and[/but] so much more on the subject - proper usage and best methodologies and pra

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Jared Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check out packet forensics depending on what your ultimate requirements are. > I would also add a 'see packet forensics'... > On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:10 PM, "John A. Kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> We've dep

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread Christian Koch
solera makes some nice boxes also On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Jared Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check out packet forensics depending on what your ultimate requirements > are. > > Jared Mauch > > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:10 PM, "John A. Kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >>

Re: Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread Jared Mauch
Check out packet forensics depending on what your ultimate requirements are. Jared Mauch On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:10 PM, "John A. Kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We've deployed a bunch taps in our network and now we need a platform on which to capture the data. Our bandwidth is cu

Hardware capture platforms

2008-07-29 Thread John A. Kilpatrick
We've deployed a bunch taps in our network and now we need a platform on which to capture the data. Our bandwidth is currently pretty low but I've got 8 links to tap, which means I need 16 ports. Has anyone done any research on doing accurate packet capture with commodity hardware? --