Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 17:54, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > > Again, these are not a user messages or regular list traffic, they're > admin/moderator messages addressed to an admin of a list. > > So, to clarify the OP issues here — you're using Gmail on your domain > (aka G Suite), and are also

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

"John Levine" writes: > Google accepts my mail just fine, including from my mailing lists. > Their goal is to make their users happy by accepting the mail the > users want and not the mail the users don't want. If we rule out asking the users for every mail, then that means applying statistics o

RE: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

On Wednesday, 4 December, 2019 23:24, b...@theworld.com wrote: >But that's ok, the new masters of this universe will just charge both >ends for each and every email (perhaps a few included free with your >Hulu or Netflix subscription) and old timers will talk about how great >it was back in the

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

25 years or so from now when the internet is basically a big CATV-like service someone will write a book about how "SPAM Ate The Internet". And a few other things, among them: Phase II: Ham Eats The Internet. Now that every marcom, billing, etc dept and their pet dog has figured out they can s

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

I own domains backed by gsuite/postini and they are awesomely spam free, and good. What I say here shouldn't be taken as saying I don't want that goodness. I also work in domains which routinely get mis-tagged as spammy by google, and that can include replying to google staffers. This isn't good.

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 15:12, John Levine wrote: > > In article > you > write: > >Google still rejects email from my own domain name as outlined in a > >prior message on this list a month or two ago: > > Google accepts my mail just fine, including from my mailing lists. > Their goal is to make t

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 16:43, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > > > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 17:39, John R. Levine wrote: >> >> >> Or maybe users are tired of the useless monthly messages and report them >> as spam. > > > Again, these are not a user messages or regular list traffic, they're > admin/modera

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 17:39, John R. Levine wrote: > > Or maybe users are tired of the useless monthly messages and report them > as spam. > Again, these are not a user messages or regular list traffic, they're admin/moderator messages addressed to an admin of a list. Your point about the possi

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

Someone up-thread noted that my personal domain is hosted on google groups. I've noticed in the past that the behaviour of gmail.com can be very different from the behaviour of a paid mail domain like mine... Google says that every user's spam filtering is different. It's not just free vs. pa

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 16:38, John R. Levine wrote: > > Though I agree that Gmail spam filtering is top grade, or close to be so, > > it still sends to spam a statistically significant number of emails from > > IETF and ICANN mailing lists I'm subscribed to. It depends as well on > > which accoun

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

Though I agree that Gmail spam filtering is top grade, or close to be so, it still sends to spam a statistically significant number of emails from IETF and ICANN mailing lists I'm subscribed to. It depends as well on which account I should receive those emails. Yes, that's mostly the DMARC prob

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

Peace, Though I agree that Gmail spam filtering is top grade, or close to be so, it still sends to spam a statistically significant number of emails from IETF and ICANN mailing lists I'm subscribed to. It depends as well on which account I should receive those emails. While I understand and tota

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

In article you write: >Google still rejects email from my own domain name as outlined in a >prior message on this list a month or two ago: Google accepts my mail just fine, including from my mailing lists. Their goal is to make their users happy by accepting the mail the users want and not the m

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

I think at this point we should upgrade the classification of this issue from being Spam-filter-related to being a fundamental interoperability issue of Google Mail and G Suite with regards to email and SMTP. Google has a monopoly on corporate email nowadays (even OPs own domain name is still hand

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

On 04/12/2019 05:04, Matthew Pounsett wrote: Cute way to promote Google Groups over Mailman.  Gotta give 'em credit for being creative :-) -Hank For some reason Gmail has started blocking mailman administrative emails to someone who's an admin on a list I host.  Their SMTP 552 error messa

Re: Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

You might have better luck emailing the mailops list. On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 10:06 PM Matthew Pounsett wrote: > > For some reason Gmail has started blocking mailman administrative emails > to someone who's an admin on a list I host. Their SMTP 552 error message > points to

Gmail email blocking is off the rails (again)

For some reason Gmail has started blocking mailman administrative emails to someone who's an admin on a list I host. Their SMTP 552 error message points to , which implies the "problem" is the URLs in the email, but is otherwise completely unhelpf