Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Scott Helms
Jay, While its certainly technically possible to offer linear video in a shared network model the content owners have big objections of that. There really is no way to do wholesale IPTV except for a very few organizations like the cable coop (NCTC http://www.nctconline.org/). On Sat, Feb 2, 201

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Brandon Ross
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Brandon Ross" Running a decent layer 3 service is "hard" too. Isn't the whole point to let these service providers compete with each other on the quality and cost of their services? You could say the same thing ab

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Leo Bicknell" > Having multiple people build the infrastructure would be just as > inefficeint as if every house had two roads built to it by two private > companies. I was going to trot on the Manhattan 26-crossbuck telephone pole, and multiple power wires

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Brandon Ross" > > No; I wouldn't offer it retail; I'd offer it to all provider-comers > > wholesale, at cost plus, just like everything else. > > It sure seems like just pushing the competition (or lack thereof) up > the stack. Could be. To compete with Ro

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:14:56PM -0500, Brandon Ross wrote: > This whole thing is the highway analogy to me. The fiber is the road. > The city MIGHT build a rest stop (layer 2), but shouldn't be allowed to > either be in the trucking business (layer 3), nor in the > busi

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Brandon Ross
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Brandon Ross" 6) And pursuant to 3, perhaps I could even set up the IPTV service and resell that to the L3 provider to bundle with their IP service, so they don't have to do it themselves; while it's not a difficult

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Jay Ashworth" > > So you are going to prohibit the operator of the fiber plant from > > running layer 3 services, but then turn around and let them offer > > IPTV? That seems quite inconsistent to me. And just because it's "hard"? > > No; I wouldn't offer it

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Brandon Ross" > > 6) And pursuant to 3, perhaps I could even set up the IPTV service and > > resell that to the L3 provider to bundle with their IP service, so > > they don't have to do it themselves; while it's not a difficult as I > > had gathered, it's sti

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Jay Ashworth" > >> It's about 3 square miles, and has about 8000 passings, the majority >> of which are single or double family residential; a sprinkling of >> multi-tenant, about a dozen city facilities,

Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Brandon Ross
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Jay Ashworth wrote: 6) And pursuant to 3, perhaps I could even set up the IPTV service and resell that to the L3 provider to bundle with their IP service, so they don't have to do it themselves; while it's not a difficult as I had gathered, it's still harder than them doing V

Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband

2013-02-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Jay Ashworth" > It's about 3 square miles, and has about 8000 passings, the majority > of which are single or double family residential; a sprinkling of > multi-tenant, about a dozen city facilities, and a bunch of retail > multi-unit business. I was musing