Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-31 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hi Adam, Le 31/05/2019 à 13:48, adamv0...@netconsultings.com a écrit : There's got to be vendors out there having an optical chasses with a combination of OTN and ethernet cards for the revenue side of the chasses -look at transmode/Infinera maybe? For now the only vendor which seems to fit th

RE: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-31 Thread adamv0025
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Brandon Martin > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:16 PM > > I see what you're getting at. It sounds like you want to light up a 100Gb > wave, put some committed "dedicated wavelength" services on it, then take > whatever's left and hand it off on 100GbE for best-effort/g

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-31 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hi Radu, There might be some misunderstanding here. I don't care about what's sold or done *today*, I'm thinking ahead of what newer hardware and software will allow us to build in the (near) future. That's probably something most of us lack : freedom to look ahead, rather than being swamped

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-31 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Thu, May 30, 2019, at 09:41, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > Yup. Should it hard-drop ? Buffer ? Both are unthinkable in OTN terms > (is that a cultural thing ?). It's what packet networks are made for. > And that's why an alien device, with support for Ethernet, OTN and > programmable pipelines, cou

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-30 Thread Brandon Martin
On 05/30/2019 03:40, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: What I have in mind is actually to combine line-rate ODUs with a static mapping and pipe the uncommitted capacity to a packet-switch. Statically commited services will be muxponded in fastpath, hence no jitter and less latency, while the fractionnal p

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-30 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Brandon, Le 30/05/2019 à 03:46, Brandon Martin a écrit : The only way I know to do this is to packet switch, as either Ethernet or GFP-F OTN traffic, the subscriber data onto a FlexODU at the desired subscriber rate within the OTU4.  Other traffic could then be placed within the same OTU4 usin

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-29 Thread Brandon Martin
On 5/29/19 3:53 PM, Mitcheltree, Harold B wrote: https://www.ekinops.com/products/flexrate-modules/aggregation-and-encryption-modules/pm-100g-agg I'm not sure I see how this particular product resolves the concern I expressed. Yes, it will aggregate native subrate services at 10Gbps or 40Gbp

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-29 Thread Mitcheltree, Harold B
ubject: Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE On 5/28/19 11:12 AM, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > OTN is important for this project because we'd need many of its features > in terms of FEC, monitoring and low jitter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't "fractional" Ether

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-29 Thread Brandon Martin
On 5/28/19 11:12 AM, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: OTN is important for this project because we'd need many of its features in terms of FEC, monitoring and low jitter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't "fractional" Ethernet services require packet switching with corresponding jitter anyway? It wo

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-29 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Tom, Le 29/05/2019 à 16:20, Tom Hill a écrit : > Very clear. If you do find this veritable moon-on-a-stick device, > please do let me know. I will. But I don't think it's for the lack of devices : every OCP switch based on Broadcom's StrataDNX ASICs seems technicaly capable of handling OTN, they

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-29 Thread Tom Hill
On 29/05/2019 15:09, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > I don't find what I need there. I just want to plug an OTU4 uplink in a > standard QSFP28 port, no fancy photonics are required, and benefit from > inband monitoring and management, FEC and trafic isolation. > > It would idealy be represented in ONL or

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-29 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hi Tom, Le 29/05/2019 à 15:18, Tom Hill a écrit : > A big part of my usecase was reselling the spare capacity, so I really > didn't want anything learning MACs at either end. :) Also tried with packetlight, but they offer no support for ODUFlex and didn't implement latency/jitter monitoring. Also

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-29 Thread Tom Hill
On 28/05/2019 11:41, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > I'm looking for a muxponder that would take OTU4s on the network side > and provide 10/40/100GbE on the client side, with some kind of > oversubscription, as to provide a "fractional 100GbE" e.g. starting with > 30-60Gbps commit that could be upgraded to

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-28 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hello Jason, Thanks for your answer. Le 28/05/2019 à 13:02, Jason Lixfeld a écrit : > IP Infusion’s OcNOS is geared towards OCP gear, and while it’s not > exactly what you’re looking for, I didn't see any mention of OTN in their software's specs. OTN is important for this project because we'd

Re: Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-28 Thread Jason Lixfeld
> On May 28, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > > Hi NaNOG ! > > I'm looking for a muxponder that would take OTU4s on the network side > and provide 10/40/100GbE on the client side, with some kind of > oversubscription, as to provide a "fractional 100GbE" e.g. starting with > 30-60Gbps

Flexible OTN / fractional 100GbE

2019-05-28 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hi NaNOG ! I'm looking for a muxponder that would take OTU4s on the network side and provide 10/40/100GbE on the client side, with some kind of oversubscription, as to provide a "fractional 100GbE" e.g. starting with 30-60Gbps commit that could be upgraded to 100GbE when network capacity is availa