Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-24 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Honestly good call and we’re looking at raising funds to do exactly that - however some of these buildings have values near a billion dollars each and there is more money in commercial real estate than telecom. In my experience these things tend to crop-up with ownership of the building being a

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/22/21 6:12 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: If someone were to make us remove a redundant DWDM node, we’d charge them list price to ever consider putting it back*, plus a deposit, plus our costs for the removal in the first place. Bad move. Enjoy the $8million, it could c

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
If someone were to make us remove a redundant DWDM node, we’d charge them list price to ever consider putting it back*, plus a deposit, plus our costs for the removal in the first place. Bad move. Enjoy the $8million, it could cost more than that to undo this mistake. *you’d actually never ev

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Yes that’s correct, however the definition of “reasonable” appears to have been decided to be “what they charge the other carriers, if anything” Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO l...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommuni

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 23/9/21 3:01 am, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > On 9/22/21 10:45 AM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: >> Half-penny pinching “mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a >> cosmic sense > > I know someone who had a bit of a different experience. > > Someone, purportedly t

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Those, as well as cable and label tags with the NOC nunber, are worth their weight in gold to be honest. Almost any telco should give you a Right of Entry agreement that codified things like insurance, etc. It’s “our gear” so of course we are responsible for it, but you should codify it in an

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Tim Howe
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:47:32 -0500 wrote: > Whatever it is, the owner comes running when the local maintenance > apprentice unplugs it…. He tells me they show up within 30-45 minutes. We've attempted to address this problem by having plastic tags on the power cords that basically say "do

RE: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread jray06
Appreciate everyone’s comments here. Lots of good responses. I think the client isn’t really looking to squeeze the equipment owner here, more so just looking for a formal agreement that codifies responsibility, insurance, points of contact for notifications, etc… (the leaking battery example is

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Tim Howe
Forgive the top post... This issue /can/ be complicated, but I have some direct experience with a lot of variations on this. It sounds like this particular situation might involve equipment that is part of a Metro ring. This is pretty nice because it might mean there is redundanc

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Brandon Svec via NANOG
Everything is negotiable. The building owner/representative can negotiate with the telco any terms they wish. On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:30 AM wrote: > A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s > fiber distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. M

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Matt Erculiani
If they're regularly sending people out to maintain the gear, and saying it's part of a "ring" that means it's probably part of their infrastructure and not just a local customer edge device for the building. If you opt to bill them and they decide to pull out, they're still "on-net" meaning at any

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Shawn L via NANOG
lling to provide a little power to be able to say "apartments in my building all have fiber Internet". And potentially charge a little more in the rent. Shawn -Original Message- From: "Grant Taylor via NANOG" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:01pm To: nanog@n

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 9/22/21 10:45 AM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: Half-penny pinching “mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a cosmic sense I know someone who had a bit of a different experience. Someone, purportedly the telco but I'm not sure who, had telco equipment in a building

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Aaron Wendel
The building owner has no obligation to the provider.  If it provides no value, call them and tell them to remove the equipment if you don't want it in your building. Aaron On 9/22/2021 11:23 AM, jra...@gmail.com wrote: A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:29 AM wrote: > A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s fiber > distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. My > understanding is that when one of these links go down, (we’ve occasionally > had to interrupt circuit power

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread sronan
It gives them the right to enter the building, but the building can charge “a reasonable fee” for things like power/space/cooling. Shane Ronan > On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE > wrote: > > Fiber in a building adds 8% to the value of that building. Half-p

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Fiber in a building adds 8% to the value of that building. Half-penny pinching “mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a cosmic sense - and just make me want to replace them. The telecommunications act of 1934 permits telcos to enter a building with their equipment. I’d upgrade the

Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread jray06
A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco's fiber distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. My understanding is that when one of these links go down, (we've occasionally had to interrupt circuit power to do maintenance in a building for one reason or