Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Avi Freedman
An important question... I recall a peering panel at an ISPCON in 1996 when the current Peering Badguys, BBN, were represented by John, who listened to a ton of bitching for an hour about the unfairness of it all and said (paraphrasing)... "I understand you all have your opinions and desires bu

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread John Curran
On Mar 27, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Or worse, before some government somewhere decides to "solve" this > problem for a value of "solved" involving (shudder) legislation. In general, governments have avoided regulating various aspects of the Internet, in part because of lack of u

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:30:43PM -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote: > Consider this a call-to-arms, in all aspects. Please. +1 No. Not enough. +10. But...our collective track record in responding in a timely and effective fashion to such calls is not very good. Twenty years ago we could have kille

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/27/13 2:46 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Wasn't there a ton of drama with the SpamHaus guys a year or so ago regarding RBL's on NANOG? There's always someone who publicly flips out over being listed by a major DNSBL at least once a year. ~Seth

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Neil J. McRae
that article is absolute rubbish. take with large pinch of salt, rockstar in hamster outfit type nonsense. $dayjob didn't lose any traffic during the period, some guys where affected because of the lottery of being on the same switch as couldfare. regards, Neil. On 27 Mar 2013, at 18:45, "Jay

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Warren Bailey
Wasn't there a ton of drama with the SpamHaus guys a year or so ago regarding RBL's on NANOG? On 3/27/13 2:54 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > >--- b...@herrin.us wrote: >From: William Herrin > >According to the New York Times it was 300 gbps and Cyberbunker was the >bad guy. >http://www.nytimes.co

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Scott Weeks
"...Sven Olaf Kamphuis, an Internet activist who said he was a spokesman for the attackers..." I wonder is he'll ever post here again as he has in the past. It probably would not go well for him if he did... scott

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Scott Weeks
--- b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin According to the New York Times it was 300 gbps and Cyberbunker was the bad guy. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/technology/internet/online-dispute-becomes-internet-snarling-attack.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 -

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Warren Bailey
bps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet" Try this one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21954636 On 3/27/13 3:55 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > > >--- b...@herrin.us wrote: >From: William Herrin > >According to the New York Times it was 300 gbp

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Huasong Zhou
Try this one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21954636 On 3/27/13 3:55 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > > >--- b...@herrin.us wrote: >From: William Herrin > >According to the New York Times it was 300 gbps and Cyberbunker was the >bad guy. >http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/technology/internet/o

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > According to the New York Times it was 300 gbps and Cyberbunker was the bad > guy. > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/technology/internet/online-dispute-becomes-internet-snarling-attack.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 > -

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Scott Weeks
--- b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin According to the New York Times it was 300 gbps and Cyberbunker was the bad guy. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/technology/internet/online-dispute-becomes-internet-snarling-attack.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Joshua Goldbard wrote: > That was a really big attack. > > The scary part is that it's all DNS reflection, meaning the attackers only > need 3Gbps of bandwidth to generate 300Gbps of DDoS. > > Imagine if they compromised some of the medium sized corporate networ

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Warren Bailey
As cyberbunker stops killing spamhaus and goes after Gilmore.. I think these are the guys who used to colo HavenCo after they burnt their platform down? I'm not sure how I feel about Cloudflare comparing being packeted to a nuclear bomb? After the packeting drys up, is there really total devastatio

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Jordan Michaels
You won't care "who" until the target is you. ;) Warm Regards, Jordan Michaels On 03/27/2013 12:09 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Seldom do hax0r nations target things without some type of "justification". I don't really care who is being internet murdered, I care why.

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: > Is someone pissed off at Spamhaus, or was the intention to packet them so > hard their entire network ceased to exist so they can no longer offer > DROP/RBL/xyz service? According to the New York Times it was 300 gbps and Cyberbunker was the

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Joshua Goldbard
That was a really big attack. The scary part is that it's all DNS reflection, meaning the attackers only need 3Gbps of bandwidth to generate 300Gbps of DDoS. Imagine if they compromised some of the medium sized corporate networks along with these Botnets. I don't know if the exchanges could hol

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Warren Bailey
Is someone pissed off at Spamhaus, or was the intention to packet them so hard their entire network ceased to exist so they can no longer offer DROP/RBL/xyz service? Seldom do hax0r nations target things without some type of "justification". I don't really care who is being internet murdered, I ca

Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS "that almost broke the Internet"

2013-03-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-ddos-that-almost-broke-the-internet Yes: 120 gigabits/second, primarily of DNS amplification traffic. Still think it's optional to implement BCP38 pervasively? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Design