On 12/6/2010 9:29 AM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
How is it more or less unattractive than having one's own servers in
one's own office? Lieberman and Co would simply have leaned on Mom's
Best BGP (r) and Pop's Fastest Packets (r) instead of on Amazon, and
the result would have been the same.
Th
> In a cloud hosting environment, you typically don't know where your
> data and servers are, and thus you don't know what legal and political
> pressures they may be subject to. If that means that in practice you
> are subject to the combination of any pressure that can be applied to
> any one of
On Dec 6, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
>> The cloud is a failure. Too easy to get it down.
>> I guess wikileaks returning to dedicated hosting proofs that.
>
> No, it just proves that organizational decisions are made by human beings
> that have values. Whether or not those values
[peter's theory]
> > The cloud is a failure. Too easy to get it down.
> > I guess wikileaks returning to dedicated hosting proofs that.
> No, it just proves that organizational decisions are made by human beings t=
> hat have values. Whether or not those values are 'right' isn't the point -=
> t
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Peter Dambier
wrote:
> The cloud is a failure. Too easy to get it down.
> I guess wikileaks returning to dedicated hosting proofs that.
I haven't used this sign in nearly a decade. And certainly not on nanog.
Anyway .. I'll end this thread now. And folks ..
On Monday 06 December 2010 09:47:43 Jay Mitchell wrote:
>
> "The Cloud" went down? I think not.
It did for at least one customer.
> Having ones account terminated as opposed to an outage caused by DDoS are
> two very different things.
Although not for all DNS providers.
There are operational le
> The cloud is a failure. Too easy to get it down.
> I guess wikileaks returning to dedicated hosting proofs that.
No, it just proves that organizational decisions are made by human beings that
have values. Whether or not those values are 'right' isn't the point - the
point is that the technol
the cloud
is a failure is just plain wrong.
--jm
-Original Message-
From: Peter Dambier [mailto:pe...@peter-dambier.de]
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 8:38 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Cloud proof of failure - was:: wikileaks unreachable
Hi,
there has been a lot of ethics and religio, .
Hi,
there has been a lot of ethics and religio, ...
but what is really important for operation:
The cloud is a failure. Too easy to get it down.
I guess wikileaks returning to dedicated hosting proofs that.
Next time the board wants to convince me of cloud computing,
I'll propose a botnet is ch
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