This one is plenty safe to stick on a live cable, plus it works a whole lot
better than the old analog ones:
http://www.flukenetworks.com/fnet/en-us/products/IntelliTone+Toner+and+Probe/Overview.htm?categorycode=CPTT
--
Tim
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 20/06/2008, at 4:19 AM, Glen Turner wrote:
A useful tool is a audio cable tracer. When disconnecting
a PC you attach the signal injector. You then use the other
half of the tool to identify the cable (it buzzes when near).
This allows the patch cables to be pulled with certainty
rather than le
George Imburgia wrote:
There's a standard;
ANSI/TIA/EIA 606A
http://www.flexcomm.com/library/606aguide.pdf
Here in Australia there's no standard for colours of data communications
patch cables.
But there are some non-data communications standards for fixed
cable colours. In particular, fire sy
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:28:38PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
> The initial cable install for the pre-provisioned servers was done
> with much planning and documentation by people who did data cabling
> for a living, and was correspondingly tidy. The cables were all blue.
> Any change that was r
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:03:32AM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> >> I would like to know ANYONE who has a policy strict enough, and
> >> enforces it so as to have even an almost perfect cabling
> >> infrastructure...is there such a thing?
> >
On 17 Jun 2008, at 11:25, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
I was in a data center for a large bank here in Pittsburgh a few
years ago, and they definitely went the extra mile to keep their
cable plant neatly organized and properly dressed, and they
continued to maintain that after the building wa
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:03:32AM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
I would like to know ANYONE who has a policy strict enough, and enforces
it so as to have even an almost perfect cabling infrastructure...is
there such a thing?
ValPak, Largo FL.
Their
>-Original Message-
>From: JoeSox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:32 PM
>To: nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: Cable Colors
>Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
&
have any white and red (as someone else pointed out. Poor new
tech with no fingers)
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Kaufman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:24 PM
To: Peter Wohlers
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cable Colors
Peter Wohlers wrote:
> As you can
Am 17.06.2008 um 15:30 schrieb David Barak:
- Original Message
From: Steve Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Their datacenter is new, $3.6M in a new completely automated $200M
building, and it's *gorgeous*. Thanks to APC for organizing a
(sales)
tour about 3 mo
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 06:30:31AM -0700, David Barak wrote:
> >From: Steve Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> >> Their datacenter is new, $3.6M in a new completely automated $200M
> >> building, and it's *gorgeous*. Thanks to APC for organizing a (sales)
> >> tour about 3 m
- Original Message
>From: Steve Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>> Their datacenter is new, $3.6M in a new completely automated $200M
>> building, and it's *gorgeous*. Thanks to APC for organizing a (sales)
>> tour about 3 months ago; I love facility porn.
>...facilit
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM, George Imburgia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's a standard;
>
> ANSI/TIA/EIA 606A
>
> http://www.flexcomm.com/library/606aguide.pdf
>
> Page 23
Informative and what I was looking for..
--
Thank You, Joe
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:03:32AM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
I would like to know ANYONE who has a policy strict enough, and enforces
it so as to have even an almost perfect cabling infrastructure...is
there such a thing?
ValPak, Largo FL.
Their datacenter is new, $
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:03:32AM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> I would like to know ANYONE who has a policy strict enough, and enforces
> it so as to have even an almost perfect cabling infrastructure...is
> there such a thing?
ValPak, Largo FL.
Their datacenter is new, $3.6M in a new comple
On Jun 16, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
Hi Joe:
Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
colors for cables for a new datacenter?
I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
'da
On Jun 16, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
To me far more important that color is tags, one on each end if it is
more that a foot long.
The tags should have a short (two or three word) description, the
authority for the patch (person's name or position, order number, or
trouble ticket numbe
ently strapping in mostly permanent wiring should be worth
the investment and reduce outages in the long run. The colors don't
hurt.
Best,
Marty
- Original Message -
From: Owen DeLong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Glenn Sieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: M
David Coulson wrote:
Steve Bertrand wrote:
LOL, simplicity via obscurity at its finest ;)
Colour coding works great, and it's easy to follow. Then there is that
issue that pops up where *that* cable over there will work!
90% of our movable cable patches (aka stuff that is not hard wired into
Steve Bertrand wrote:
LOL, simplicity via obscurity at its finest ;)
Colour coding works great, and it's easy to follow. Then there is that
issue that pops up where *that* cable over there will work!
90% of our movable cable patches (aka stuff that is not hard wired into
a patch panel) are l
David Coulson wrote:
Jon Kibler wrote:
Not based on any standard, but here is a schema I have used many times:
Where I used to work - ISP. All of the above - Yellow.
Where I work now - Enterprise. All of the above - Grey.
LOL, simplicity via obscurity at its finest ;)
Colour coding works g
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:27:43PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
[ quoting me ]
> > but doesn't *anyone* put service loops in anything anymore?
>
> Assuming you're using "service loops" in the sense of allowing enough
> cable to allow a server to slide out while running... usually in copper
> building
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:26:41PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Maybe we just wire in more tight places, but I find that it's somewhat
> > difficult to deal with more than about three excess inches when doing
> > in-frame wiring. I don't want to have to deal with excess.
>
> Perhaps it's because
There's a standard;
ANSI/TIA/EIA 606A
http://www.flexcomm.com/library/606aguide.pdf
Page 23
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:26:41PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> Maybe we just wire in more tight places, but I find that it's somewhat
> difficult to deal with more than about three excess inches when doing
> in-frame wiring. I don't want to have to deal with excess.
Perhaps it's because my wiring b
And not having to worry about a color-blind tech. :-)
Mike
From: Christian Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:20:59 -0400
To: Michael Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: JoeSox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Subject: Re: Cable Colors
i guess thats what having a good data
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 06:55:14PM -0400, Soren Telfer wrote:
> TIA-606A and some of the other TIA docs have cable color recommendations.
This is the standard recommended by the Yellow Book for cable jacket
color selection, yes.
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
> I find this interesting - as lately i've found that keeping a supply of
> various lengths of commercially-manufactured leads of appropriate colours,
> etc, has been a better long term solution than home-made leads. Perhaps I
> just suck at crimping cables, but I prefer to use commercially mad
Oppinions vary. There really is no standard. Most important is picking
something meaningful to you.
Here, I use:
yellowgeneral ethernet
green serial connection
blue long distance ethernet (ie, going to another row)
black crossover
red T1s, etc
white permenant drops to c
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:32:15 -0500 (CDT)
Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In one organization red was for the sensitive private network, and in
> another red meant "danger Will Robinson", public unsafe network. In
> yet another red was for grounded power.
>
Right. The universal conventio
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of cables and veering off towards cable-making, I was wondering
what people thought of the so-called "EZ RJ45" stuff. One of the hazards
of doing long-term cut-to-length wiring is that if a crimp really goes
wrong, you might
Peter Wohlers wrote:
As you can see, by and large, people assign colors to functions. What
color to what function varies like the wind. Unlike a previous employer
whose colo-manager person insisted on using colors to represent cable
lengths (Doh!), color -> function mapping seems pretty univers
i guess thats what having a good data center manager is all about - being
prepared and keeping things uniform and to a standard they define...
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Michael Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Joe:
> >
> > Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
> >
>
Hi Joe:
>
> Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> 'darn, I wish I would have bought this color
Joe Greco wrote:
They make a crimper specifically for it, which cuts of the ends. I
haven't done a few thousand ends with it but it does make it slightly
easier to maintain the twist further into the the plug because you can
pull it until snug.
Yeah, I am reluctant to go retooling for that cr
> They make a crimper specifically for it, which cuts of the ends. I
> haven't done a few thousand ends with it but it does make it slightly
> easier to maintain the twist further into the the plug because you can
> pull it until snug.
Yeah, I am reluctant to go retooling for that crimper. I h
On Jun 16, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
So is the labeling device of choice still the Dymo Rhino stuff?
Preferences for/against heat shrink vs other methods? Always fun to
see
what others are doing.
Brady TLS2200. There is no substitute.
Self-laminating multiline labels you simply w
I'll save the bandwidth and reply to everyone in one email :P
Lots of good replies, gave me lots of ideas and confirmed my planning
already. I like the idea of reserving some colors and the serial
numbers idea.
Some people seem were wishing I provided more details so my
'datacenter' basically has
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Glenn Sieb wrote:
JoeSox wrote:
Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
colors for cables for a new datacenter?
I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
'darn, I wi
Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of cables and veering off towards cable-making, I was wondering
what people thought of the so-called "EZ RJ45" stuff. One of the hazards
of doing long-term cut-to-length wiring is that if a crimp really goes
wrong, you might mess up your artistic work or need to re-cut
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, JoeSox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> 'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for
> > But for proper cabling, see
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I1X6PM -- and make sure you read
> > the comments...
>
> *That* link requires a put-down-your-coffee warning. Most notable is the
> number of stars in the rating, which goes hand in hand with the
> comments. Thank you. I s
On 17/06/08 10:47 AM, "Shaun Ewing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And there you have it. Finding the group of backbone cables (as an example)
> out of a bundle of cables is much easier when they're a different colour.
>
> What colours we use depends on what area of the network we're in.
>
> For
> To me far more important that color is tags, one on each end if it is
> more that a foot long.
>
> The tags should have a short (two or three word) description, the
> authority for the patch (person's name or position, order number, or
> trouble ticket number) and where the _other_ end of the
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:09:42 -0700 Peter Wohlers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
About 7% of the male population in the US has red-green
colorblindness, so keep that in mind.
At least in my son's case, bright colors -- like the typical red and
green cables -- are easil
On 17/06/2008, at 11:00 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
all you people are just so retro and boring. i like purple,
fluorescent lime, ...
the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent.
labeling,
consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are
what
will bail you
On 17/06/08 9:00 AM, "Randy Bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent. labeling,
> consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are what
> will bail you out at three in the morning.
>
> randy
And there you have it. Finding t
I am seriously old school--"patch cords" for me conjure (in addition to
the modern views) 4-wire patches and coax patches (some of which were
called "hairpins").
To me far more important that color is tags, one on each end if it is
more that a foot long.
The tags should have a short (two or
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:09:42 -0700
Peter Wohlers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> About 7% of the male population in the US has red-green
> colorblindness, so keep that in mind.
At least in my son's case, bright colors -- like the typical red and
green cables -- are easily distinguishable. Pastels
nog.org
Sent: Mon Jun 16 22:56:45 2008
Subject: Re: Cable Colors
I don't know of any hard standard in use anywhere. I've generally taken
to the following:
Green == low-bandwidth straigh-through
Telephone, T1, Serial, etc.
Purple == Roll Cables (almost always serial, sometimes t
JoeSox wrote:
Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
colors for cables for a new datacenter?
I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for th
Once upon a time, plenum-rated cable only seemed to come in white or blue,
so I tried to use white consistently. Always helps to visually identify
the correct usage for POPs in existing buildings.
And, I've a tendency to use black for "internal network management" (unable
to be seen off LAN/VPN)
AIL PROTECTED]>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Mon Jun 16 23:00:45 2008
Subject: Re: Cable Colors
all you people are just so retro and boring. i like purple,
fluorescent lime, ...
the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent. labeling,
consistent port use (oob port == power port ==
Jon Kibler wrote:
Not based on any standard, but here is a schema I have used many times:
Where I used to work - ISP. All of the above - Yellow.
Where I work now - Enterprise. All of the above - Grey.
David
Very true. Another suggestion I will offer is that it is relatively
inexpensive to order cables with pre-printed serial numbers.
I get them for about $0.20/cable more than I could buy in bulk
and I get them in relatively low quantities. They cost about half
of what buying a cable at Fry's would
> I don't know of any hard standard in use anywhere. I've generally taken
> to the following:
>
> Green == low-bandwidth straigh-through
> Telephone, T1, Serial, etc.
> Purple == Roll Cables (almost always serial, sometimes telecom)
> (8-1 7-2 6-3 5-4 4-5 3-6 2-7 1-8)
> Orange(C) == E
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JoeSox wrote:
> Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>
Not based on any standard, but here is a schema I have used many times:
White -- user workstations
Black -- telephones
Green -- guest users (direct Internet connection)
all you people are just so retro and boring. i like purple,
fluorescent lime, ...
the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent. labeling,
consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are what
will bail you out at three in the morning.
randy
On Jun 16, 2008, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was going to say yellow for serial consoles... but in this day and
age, I guess the crossover cables AND serial console connection are
fading fast.
Crossover cables maybe, but I'm not convinced about serial. I just
went through a who
> JoeSox wrote:
> > Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
> >
> > I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> > colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> > I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> > 'darn, I wish I would have b
I don't know of any hard standard in use anywhere. I've generally taken
to the following:
Green == low-bandwidth straigh-through
Telephone, T1, Serial, etc.
Purple == Roll Cables (almost always serial, sometimes telecom)
(8-1 7-2 6-3 5-4 4-5 3-6 2-7 1-8)
Orange(C) == EIA-568b cro
TIA-606A and some of the other TIA docs have cable color recommendations.
Scott Hebert wrote:
Perhaps Blue for internal data, Yellow for internal voice, Green for
data/voice?
Some people reserve yellow for cross-over cables.
--
Scott Hebert
http://slaptijack.com
Some people reserve yellow for cross-over cables.
I was going to say yellow for serial consoles... but in this day and age,
I guess the crossover cables AND serial console connection are fading
fast.
- Ethan O'Toole
>
> Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> 'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for thi
>
> Perhaps Blue for internal data, Yellow for internal voice, Green for
> data/voice?
Some people reserve yellow for cross-over cables.
--
Scott Hebert
http://slaptijack.com
last two with "Yellow" for a
cautionary DMZ area
And then there's the environment I'm in right now, where there are a
LOT of different cable colors for different reasons.
The reality is, from my experience, to find a color combination that
makes sense to you and is in
JoeSox wrote:
Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
colors for cables for a new datacenter?
I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for th
Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
colors for cables for a new datacenter?
I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for this type, now I a
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