nly interesting...
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:12 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> Misfire. Sorry, early in the AM. The URL I intended to send is here:
>
> http://www.uscourts.gov/statistics-reports/wiretap-report-2014
>
>
> Best,
>
> -M<
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:10
Misfire. Sorry, early in the AM. The URL I intended to send is here:
http://www.uscourts.gov/statistics-reports/wiretap-report-2014
Best,
-M<
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> CALEA isn't a type of request, it's a law that enabled par function
&g
CALEA isn't a type of request, it's a law that enabled par function
access for LEO's e.g. "the ladder" pin register, trap+trace, DTMF
translation, three-way/off hook ops and the call content (not
necessarily in that order).
You can see the non national security activi
How many requests per 1k or 10k customers? Is primarily residential a safe
assumption?
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On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Mike Joseph wrote:
> I can say via firsthand knowledge that CALEA reque
I can say via firsthand knowledge that CALEA requests are definitely
happening and are not even that rare, proportional to a reasonably sized
subscriber-base. It would be unlawful for me to comment specifically on
any actual CALEA requests, however. But if you have general questions
about my
My comments were strictly limited to my understanding of CALEA as it
applied to ISPs, not telcos. A request for a lawful intercept can entail
mirroring a real time stream of all data sent to/from a customer's Internet
connection (cable modem/DSL/dedicated Ethernet) to a LEA. AFAIK this
req
eing
unable to provide this service when requested.
Where existing infrastructure is not already in place (read: T1/BRI/etc.),
the telco can take up to 60 days to get that setup. I know more than one
telco that used that grace period to actually setup CALEA in the first
place.
did not perf
r people who run core routing
devices and do things like BGP and peering negotiations with other
providers.
By contrast, CALEA requirements are generally all met by features
deployed at the customer-edge. These groups are often a separate
silo from the backbone folks at the largest providers.
Th
large list that includes many Tier 1 network operators,
> >> government agencies, and Fortune 500 network operators
> >
> >
> > no one gets calea requests because prism gets all requests?
> >
>
s, and Fortune 500 network operators
>
>
> no one gets calea requests because prism gets all requests?
>
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> This is a large list that includes many Tier 1 network operators,
> government agencies, and Fortune 500 network operators
>
no one gets calea requests because prism gets all requests?
This is a large list that includes many Tier 1 network operators,
government agencies, and Fortune 500 network operators.
The silence should be telling.
On May 10, 2016 2:52 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
wrote:
> Perhaps the silence is an indication no one is doing CALEA or knows
> a
Perhaps the silence is an indication no one is doing CALEA or knows
anything about it?
Personally, I can't say I've heard anything about CALEA, seen people
trying to sell CALEA appliances, or received a CALEA request in maybe 8
years?
On 5/10/16 12:34 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Hrm
s almost moot.
> On May 9, 2016 23:16, "Greg Sowell" wrote:
>
> I haven't had a request in ages...back then all of the links worked.
> On May 9, 2016 3:02 PM, "Jeremy Austin" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Justin Wilson
;t had a request in ages...back then all of the links worked.
On May 9, 2016 3:02 PM, "Jeremy Austin" wrote:
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>
> > What is the community hearing about CALEA?
> >
>
> Crickets?
>
>
> --
&g
I haven't had a request in ages...back then all of the links worked.
On May 9, 2016 3:02 PM, "Jeremy Austin" wrote:
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>
> > What is the community hearing about CALEA?
> >
>
> Crickets?
>
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
> What is the community hearing about CALEA?
>
Crickets?
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Does anyone have some up-to-date information on CALEA?
https://askcalea.fbi.gov/ <https://askcalea.fbi.gov/> has a fair amount of
broken links. The servicer provider registration is broken. The web-site has
not been updated. Searches on FBI.gov and the FCC site just point b
The FBI CALEA folks have always had a somewhat expansive interpretation of
their authorities.
For example, "dialed digit extraction." The court cases supporting pen
registers are based on business record exception, i.e. Smith v. Maryland
says dial numbers are disclosed to the
rom: "Lorell Hathcock"
>
> Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
>
> As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my
> routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order?
>
> I'm not under any court order n
Todd,
Could you pick a more problematic venture in telecom? ;-)
I have done a couple of these.
(I just joined the list and have no idea how much you know on the subject)
My clients are wholesale customers of different local LECs (Local
Exchange Carrier).
These are the guys that own the wire cen
; had to fulfill a request to be disallowed from talking about it which makes
>> them seem even more rare than they actually are. I'm also not familiar
>> with any laws that prevent state or local agencies from leveraging CALEA
>> and I've certainly seen it used on the v
from leveraging CALEA
and I've certainly seen it used on the voice side by state level law
enforcement.
Scott Helms
Chief Technology Officer
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:19 PM
prevent state or local agencies from leveraging CALEA
> and I've certainly seen it used on the voice side by state level law
> enforcement.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Chief Technology Officer
> ZCorum
> (678) 507-5000
>
> http://twitter.com
nt: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:47 PM
To: 'NANOG list'
Subject: CALEA Requirements
NANOG:
Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my routers?
Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a cour
Hathcock"
>
> Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
>
> As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my
> routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order?
>
> I'm not under any court order now,
--- lor...@hathcock.org wrote:
From: "Lorell Hathcock"
Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my
routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order?
I'm not under any cou
NANOG:
Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my
routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order?
I'm not under any court order now, I just want to be sure that I am
comp
;all doing for CALEA compliance?
On Mar 15, 2013 11:37 AM, "Christopher Morrow"
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Joshua Goldbard wrote:
> > God I want one of those PA firewalls just to play with in the lab. I
can't
> > justify the expense, but as far
On Mar 15, 2013 11:37 AM, "Christopher Morrow"
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Joshua Goldbard wrote:
> > God I want one of those PA firewalls just to play with in the lab. I
can't
> > justify the expense, but as far as firewalls go they're gorgeous. From
the
> > chassis to the UI, P
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:59:16 -0400
> From: Randy Fischer
> To: North American Network Operators Group
> Subject: Mechanics of CALEA taps
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Dear nanog:
>
> Honestly,
The only calea intercept I watched take place was with a system made by
Sandvine.. And it was pretty shocking.
Sent from my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: Dennis Burgess
Date: 06/10/2013 6:25 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Randy Fischer ,nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Mechanics of
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From: Randy Fischer [mailto:randy.fisc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 5:59 PM
To: North American Network Operators Group
Subject: Mechanics of CALEA taps
Dear nanog:
Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none, b
It is possible, and not just for "ISPs"
Matthew Kaufman
(Sent from my iPhone)
On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Randy Fischer wrote:
> Dear nanog:
>
> Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none,
> but I have to ask it.
>
> I understand
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Randy Fischer wrote:
Dear nanog:
Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none,
but I have to ask it.
I understand the CALEA tap mechanism for most ISPs, generally, works like
this:
* we outsource our CALEA management to company X
* we don&#
(from back when I cared more about calea as an implementor)
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>> Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none,
>> but I have to ask it.
>
> Surprise!
me too!
>
>> I understand the C
> Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none,
> but I have to ask it.
Surprise!
> I understand the CALEA tap mechanism for most ISPs, generally, works like
> this:
>
> * we outsource our CALEA management to company X
> * we don'
Dear nanog:
Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none,
but I have to ask it.
I understand the CALEA tap mechanism for most ISPs, generally, works like
this:
* we outsource our CALEA management to company X
* we don't even know there's been a req
On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Ben Bartsch wrote:
> Is there actually any teeth to the law?
Find a real lawyer and show her/him
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2522
--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Thanks to everyone who replied on and off list today. I found a wide range
of opinions on CALEA. I did have one person give me a very specific
example of a vendor that can ensure compliance, which is really what I was
after.
See y'all on Bourbon Street in June!
-ben
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013
network.
Original message
From: Joshua Goldbard
Date: 03/15/2013 8:33 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey
Cc: Christopher Morrow ,NANOG
Subject: Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?
God I want one of those PA firewalls just to play with in the lab. I can't
justif
zz from Palo
> Alto. Worked okay, never did have to execute a warrant or anything.
>
>
> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
>
>
>
> Original message
> From: Joshua Goldbard
> Date: 03/15/2013 8:25 AM (GMT-08:00)
&g
e. The first nationwide 4G network.
Original message
From: Joshua Goldbard mailto:j...@2600hz.com>>
Date: 03/15/2013 8:25 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Morrow mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com>>
Cc: NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: What are y'all doi
:25 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Morrow
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?
I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. If you make decisions about what
you should be doing in your business based solely on emails from strangers you
won't do well.
are a CLEC and you are not CALEA compliant, you are in for a world of hurt.
If you're a non-facilities based reseller this is open for interpretation, but
many folks believe that if you don't have gear inside the carrier pops, you
aren't subject to CALEA. In practice, who is and w
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ben Bartsch wrote:
> What are you RENs out there doing for CALEA compliance? Is there actually
being happy we solved it 6 yrs ago?
> any teeth to the law? Our systems guys have tried a product called 'Open
teeth as in the 100k/day fine?
>
What are you RENs out there doing for CALEA compliance? Is there actually
any teeth to the law? Our systems guys have tried a product called 'Open
CALEA' but the router and the server simply can't keep up with mirroring
from a 10Gbps connection into a 1Gbps link. I'm no
- Original Message -
> From: "Jimmy Hess"
> Forget about FCC civil penalties: the LEA may start arresting
> managers responsible for refusal, on the charges of obstruction, due
> to interfering with an investigation.
>
> People might talk about refusin
arresting
managers responsible for refusal, on the charges of obstruction, due
to interfering with an investigation.
People might talk about refusing to process a CALEA warrant.
IF/when they do receive such a lawful order: I am almost positive
they will respond in some way other than a refusal t
I have yet to see a lot of networks in TRUE compliance with CALEA
requirements. Most of the time, it's some intermediate box that is doing a
netflow-esque imports from routers that net/j/xyzflow normally. The only
issue I/we ever ran into was how to in fact process the LEA request for an
a
I agree with the TTP taking the IP traffic. They simply re-package it
for the LEA.
It's up to the LEA to take the traffic flow or not. If it's a true CALEA
warrant, not a normal wire tap, the defense could argue they did not
follow protocol.
Justin
---
Our Trusted Third Party (TTP) asked us to IP Traffic Export. As others
commented in this forum, the LEAs is not looking for SPs to replace their
entire networks to create an ideal CALEA-compliant environment. It's my
understanding that LEA will take a Cisco IP Traffic Export flow.
I don't see any mention of CALEA. A traffic dump won't satisfy a CALEA
warrant.
Justin
-Original Message-
From: Frank Bulk
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:31 PM
To: 'Warren Bailey' , Byron Hooper
,
Subject: RE: CALEA options for small/midsize ISPs
@nanog.org
Subject: RE: CALEA options for small/midsize ISPs
We used Cisco for lawful intercept.. Their mibs are wanky and at the time
only the 7206 was support for the LI functionality. Food for thought.
>From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
Original mess
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Byron Hooper wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> My company is looking at updating our CALEA set up. Our network has
> changed appreciably since our initial rollout and I am looking at utilizing
> Cisco's Lawful Intercept. I'm wondering what peop
PM (GMT-08:00)
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: CALEA options for small/midsize ISPs
Hello All,
My company is looking at updating our CALEA set up. Our network has
changed appreciably since our initial rollout and I am looking at utilizing
Cisco's Lawful Intercept. I'm wondering what peo
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-Original Message-
From: Byron Hooper
Date: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:52 PM
To:
Subject: CALEA options for small/mid
Hello All,
My company is looking at updating our CALEA set up. Our network has
changed appreciably since our initial rollout and I am looking at utilizing
Cisco's Lawful Intercept. I'm wondering what people are using as "Mediator
Devices", aka what the Cisco routers ar
On Mon November 26 2012 09:38, Matthew Crocker wrote:
> I have a CALEA appliance from BearHill that I 'rent'. It has been in my
> network for years. I'm looking for other alternative solutions for CALEA
> compliance with a small ISP. It looks like OpenCalea is a de
I have a CALEA appliance from BearHill that I 'rent'. It has been in my
network for years. I'm looking for other alternative solutions for CALEA
compliance with a small ISP. It looks like OpenCalea is a dead project.
What is everyone else using?
My current solution is
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/fbi-forming-communications-assistance-center-to-help-spy-on-americans/2012/05/24/gJQAFuuSnU_story.html
--
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> Majority of these are telnet:// links.
>
> David
>
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: N Rauhauser [mailto:neal.rauhau...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:13 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: shel
y 08, 2012 12:13 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: shell access to BGP router, CALEA tips??
Ladies & Gentlemen,
I wanted to check something on an IP address block this morning and,
much to my surprise, I don't have access to a single router that has a full
table in it - first time si
Ladies & Gentlemen,
I wanted to check something on an IP address block this morning and,
much to my surprise, I don't have access to a single router that has a full
table in it - first time since 1999 this is the case. I see route views is
still happily serving up shells, but I'm curious t
On 24 May 2007, at 06:01, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Fully agree. But there's a bit more "system" about what's going on in
the EU, and stronger privacy safeguards. The Council of Europe
convention on cybercrime should be a good starting point, as should at
least some of the presos here:
On 5/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The ITU itself is likely irrelevant. However, those who run ISPs across
either the left or right puddle are likely to be hit with CALEA-like issues
within the next few years, when their countries adopt similar laws. And those
who
F, FCC, Verisign, Neustar, and ITU might
> > be a good approach to this.
>
> Humor me.. but just where does ITU come into this whole mess?
The ITU itself is likely irrelevant. However, those who run ISPs across
either the left or right puddle are likely to be hit with CALEA-like is
On 5/24/07, Owen DeLong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I think a refereed
boxing^h^h^h^h^h^hpanel discussion between representatives
from DHS, FBI, EFF, FCC, Verisign, Neustar, and ITU might
be a good approach to this.
Humor me.. but just where does ITU come i
The more I think about this, the more I think a refereed
boxing^h^h^h^h^h^hpanel discussion between representatives
from DHS, FBI, EFF, FCC, Verisign, Neustar, and ITU might
be a good approach to this.
Owen
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EFF is a
political organization and these are not topics that make sense for
NANOG, IMHO, the list, the program, or a BoF.
Having the EFF explain CALEA at NANOG is like asking the Sierra Club
to identify good
sites for oil wells in forests.
I took a look at EFF's CALEA FAQ at
> Having the EFF explain CALEA at NANOG is like asking the Sierra Club
> to identify good sites for oil wells in forests.
well, we have had the oil companies multiple times.
randy
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 10:43:15PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote:
[snip]
> Too bad the PC hasn't solicited a talk in this area. They ought to.
Too bad that the collective-we choose to beat up the PC for not
providing agenda information in advance, and then change tack
to beat them up when the in
Steve Bellovin said:
I've tried hard to keep this discussion factual, with copious
references. But I think I've run out of things to say that are even
vaguely on-topic, so I'll shut up.
Anytime the word CALEA is pops up here the threads tend to quickly
degenerate into a larg
William Allen Simpson wrote:
Also, the gag order was ruled unconstitutional, so always inform your
customer! They may be willing to work out attorney fees, and/or join
you in a suppression hearing.
Huh? You can tell a customer that you've had a CALEA subpoena served on
you for hi
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