Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-16 Thread Barry Shein
Gadi Evron however is listed as one of the authors on a rather interesting book "Botnets: The Killer Web Application": http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781597491358&itm=3 (Howsabout we stand on each others' shoulders rather than each others' toes?) -

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-May-2007, at 01:04, Ian Mason wrote: Can I please make a [probably futile] request. If someone thinks something is off-topic but the subject matter is even conceivably marginally on-topic - just skip the post. Don't start a long discussion of the relevance. ... or if you are unab

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-16 Thread Gadi Evron
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Gadi Evron wrote: > > On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ian Mason wrote: > >> - so much so that this is the first time I was explicitly aware that he > >> offers paid consultancy in this area, if that is indeed the case. > > > > I don't. Nor do I work for a colsultan

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Gadi Evron wrote: > On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ian Mason wrote: >> - so much so that this is the first time I was explicitly aware that he >> offers paid consultancy in this area, if that is indeed the case. > > I don't. Nor do I work for a colsultancy. Your work for a vulnerability assessment vendor.

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Gadi Evron
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ian Mason wrote: > - so much so that this is the first time I was explicitly aware that he > offers paid consultancy in this area, if that is indeed the case. I don't. Nor do I work for a colsultancy. Thanks, Gadi.

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Ian Mason
On 16 May 2007, at 00:53, Joel Jaeggli wrote: [snip] The thing is it would be really nice to have some functional separation between the business of this list which is operating a network, and the security focused lists, and the botnet/phishing/spam lists, addressing policy lists, the i

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread alex
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Joe Greco wrote: > The thing is that there's always been too much functional separation > between the business of this list which is operating a network, and the > security focused lists. The business of operating a network has often > conveniently ignored anything that does

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Joe Greco
Bearing in mind that I'm not especially a fan of Gadi, > The thing is it would be really nice to have some functional separation > between the business of this list which is operating a network, and the > security focused lists, and the botnet/phishing/spam lists, addressing > policy lists, the i

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, May 15, 2007, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Addressing the complaint that my response to Gadi was too harsh, I can > >> only say > >> that, to someone who isn't aware of the history, my response may seem > >> harsh, > > > > I *AM* aware of the history and your respo

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Joel Jaeggli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Addressing the complaint that my response to Gadi was too harsh, I can >> only say >> that, to someone who isn't aware of the history, my response may seem >> harsh, > > I *AM* aware of the history and your response seems harsh. Especially so > because you complained

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Peter Dambier
from http://www.nanog.org/listfaq.html Appropriate Topics ... ISP security ... I think DTAG.de is a very insecure ISP. The router is still distributed. There is no warning by DTAG.de. There is no fix. There is an ongoing discussion about a troyan developed and distributed by the german gouv

RE: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread michael.dillon
> Addressing the complaint that my response to Gadi was too harsh, I can > only say > that, to someone who isn't aware of the history, my response may seem > harsh, I *AM* aware of the history and your response seems harsh. Especially so because you complained about a message which was about exp

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Albert Meyer
Kradorex Xeron wrote: Oh, one more thing to the first reply to this thread calling this a non-operational issue, Gadi's in the right here: It IS an operational issue that's getting reposted because it's NOT getting solved. I recieved 4 emails (from Fergie, Suresh, Colin Johnson and "Kradorex

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-12 Thread Kradorex Xeron
On Saturday 12 May 2007 04:35, Fergie wrote: > > Suresh is right -- if you don't think CPE compromises are an > operational problem, then I'm not sure what is. :-) > > [changing gears] > > I'll even go a step further, and say that if ISPs keep punting > on the whole botnet issue, and continue to t