Re: A crazy idea

2021-08-10 Thread james.cut...@consultant.com
Thank you, Tim. I have often suggested that clear business purposes should drive implementation of technology. Every cogent analysis of IPv6 shows that there are enough addresses that we need not worry about running out of addresses for many decades. Even swarms of devices should not seriously

Re: A crazy idea

2021-08-02 Thread Joe Maimon
Owen DeLong wrote: On Jul 29, 2021, at 14:06 , Joe Maimon wrote: t...@pelican.org wrote: On Monday, 19 July, 2021 14:04, "Stephen Satchell" said: The allocation of IPv6 space with prefixes shorter than /64 is indeed a consideration for bigger administrative domains like country gover

Re: A crazy idea

2021-08-01 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Jul 29, 2021, at 14:14 , Daniel Corbe wrote: > > > >> On Jul 29, 2021, at 16:06, Joe Maimon wrote: >> >> >> >> t...@pelican.org wrote: >>> On Monday, 19 July, 2021 14:04, "Stephen Satchell" said: >>> The allocation of IPv6 space with prefixes shorter than /64 is indeed a

Re: A crazy idea

2021-08-01 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Jul 29, 2021, at 14:06 , Joe Maimon wrote: > > > > t...@pelican.org wrote: >> On Monday, 19 July, 2021 14:04, "Stephen Satchell" said: >> >>> The allocation of IPv6 space with prefixes shorter than /64 is indeed a >>> consideration for bigger administrative domains like country >>> go

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-30 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Jul 29, 2021, at 22:23, Frank Habicht wrote: > > Hi, > > On 30/07/2021 07:58, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:> ... >> Consider this… I discussed this topic at length with JJB (COMCAST at >> the time) and pushed hard on why they don’t give /48s to their >> residential customers. His answer

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-29 Thread Frank Habicht
Hi, On 30/07/2021 07:58, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:> ... > Consider this… I discussed this topic at length with JJB (COMCAST at > the time) and pushed hard on why they don’t give /48s to their > residential customers. His answer was that if they did so, they would > need to get a /12 from their

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-29 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Jul 19, 2021, at 06:04 , Stephen Satchell wrote: > > On 7/19/21 5:41 AM, Feldman, Mark wrote: >> What you propose is not outlandish; some ISPs have been dual stack >> and providing some combination of these services for years. They >> already provide IPv6 ip6.arpa delegations should thei

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-29 Thread Daniel Corbe
> On Jul 29, 2021, at 16:06, Joe Maimon wrote: > > > > t...@pelican.org wrote: >> On Monday, 19 July, 2021 14:04, "Stephen Satchell" said: >> >>> The allocation of IPv6 space with prefixes shorter than /64 is indeed a >>> consideration for bigger administrative domains like country >>> gov

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-29 Thread Joe Maimon
t...@pelican.org wrote: On Monday, 19 July, 2021 14:04, "Stephen Satchell" said: The allocation of IPv6 space with prefixes shorter than /64 is indeed a consideration for bigger administrative domains like country governments, but on the other end, SOHO customers would be happy with /96, /1

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-20 Thread Chriztoffer Hansen
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 17:41, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 7/20/21 10:01 AM, Michael Loftis wrote: > > My apologies to everyone using an HTML mail client. > > No reason to apologize for that. If someone is careless enough to use an HTML > client on a mailing list, they deserve what they get :-D Enab

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-20 Thread Bryan Fields
On 7/20/21 10:01 AM, Michael Loftis wrote: > My apologies to everyone using an HTML mail client. No reason to apologize for that. If someone is careless enough to use an HTML client on a mailing list, they deserve what they get :-D -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-20 Thread Michael Loftis
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 7:48 AM Michael Loftis wrote: > > (Reply in-line) My apologies to everyone using an HTML mail client. Don't try in-line replies with Google's iOS app. *sigh* Really, it's not a blank reply... The gist of my reply was. Don't complain about DNS services when you're not

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-20 Thread Michael Loftis
(Reply in-line) On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 06:11 Stephen Satchell wrote: > First, I know this isn't the right place to propose this; need a pointer > to where to propose an outlandish idea. > > PROBLEM: IPv6 support is still in its birthing pangs. I see a problem > that limits deployment of IPv6

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Mark Andrews
It is theoretically possible to completely automate reverse DNS provisioning. It just requires will to do it. Enterprises have been doing automated reverse DNS provisioning for decades now using DNS UPDATE requests from DHCP servers using TSIG or GSS-TSIG. This method does it as part of prefix de

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Bryan Fields
On 7/19/21 8:09 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > First, I know this isn't the right place to propose this; need a pointer > to where to propose an outlandish idea. > What would the domain names look like? Let's take my current IP/IPv6 > assignments from AT&T: > >2600:1700:79b0:ddc0::/64 >

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread John Waters via NANOG
I'm with Tim on this.  I'm unsure if you've kept a mental note of just how big IPv6 is, but it's 340,282,366,920,938,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 IP addresses in IPv6 IPv4 on the other hand has 4,294,967,296 total IP addresses.  I understand the issuance and total use leading to exhausti

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Randy Bush
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:27:13 -0700, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > On Mon, 2021-07-19 at 08:51 -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > > > Well, for SLAAC you need a /64 > > > > this is not true > > > > randy > > > That is cool! Can you point me to the correct RFC please? > from the war zone, draft-classl

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Nathan Angelacos
On Mon, 2021-07-19 at 08:51 -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > > Well, for SLAAC you need a /64 > > this is not true > > randy That is cool! Can you point me to the correct RFC please?

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Randy Bush
> Well, for SLAAC you need a /64 this is not true randy --- ra...@psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com` signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header butchery

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread t...@pelican.org
On Monday, 19 July, 2021 14:04, "Stephen Satchell" said: > The allocation of IPv6 space with prefixes shorter than /64 is indeed a > consideration for bigger administrative domains like country > governments, but on the other end, SOHO customers would be happy with > /96, /104 or even /112 alloca

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Lukas Tribus
Hello, On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 15:04, Stephen Satchell wrote: > The allocation of IPv6 space with prefixes shorter than /64 is indeed a > consideration for bigger administrative domains like country > governments, but on the other end, SOHO customers would be happy with > /96, /104 or even /112 al

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Feldman, Mark via NANOG
On 7/19/21, 9:04 AM, "Stephen Satchell" wrote: On 7/19/21 5:41 AM, Feldman, Mark wrote: > What you propose is not outlandish; some ISPs have been dual stack > and providing some combination of these services for years. They > already provide IPv6 ip6.arpa delegations should their

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jul 19, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > > On 7/19/21 5:41 AM, Feldman, Mark wrote: >> What you propose is not outlandish; some ISPs have been dual stack >> and providing some combination of these services for years. They >> already provide IPv6 ip6.arpa delegations should the

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 7/19/21 5:41 AM, Feldman, Mark wrote: What you propose is not outlandish; some ISPs have been dual stack and providing some combination of these services for years. They already provide IPv6 ip6.arpa delegations should their business customers want them. Some even provide at least a /56 so c

Re: A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Feldman, Mark via NANOG
What you propose is not outlandish; some ISPs have been dual stack and providing some combination of these services for years. They already provide IPv6 ip6.arpa delegations should their business customers want them. Some even provide at least a /56 so customers can have multiple /64 subnets.

A crazy idea

2021-07-19 Thread Stephen Satchell
First, I know this isn't the right place to propose this; need a pointer to where to propose an outlandish idea. PROBLEM: IPv6 support is still in its birthing pangs. I see a problem that limits deployment of IPv6 fully: reverse PTR records in the ".in6.arpa." zones. (Now that I think abo