Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/Jul/20 14:00, Paul Nash wrote: > Not quite VSAT, but in the bad old SA days (pre-demicracy), I did some work > for a company that used a UK-based satellite provider for data to the client > (data was sent in the VBI), and dial-up for the traffic from the client. > > Still relied on a lo

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-12 Thread Paul Nash
Not quite VSAT, but in the bad old SA days (pre-demicracy), I did some work for a company that used a UK-based satellite provider for data to the client (data was sent in the VBI), and dial-up for the traffic from the client. Still relied on a local provider for the dial-up, though, so could be

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/Jul/20 10:50, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > With common Ku band TVRO (receive only) dishes and decoders, one of > the constraints for moving to higher bitrates is the physical sizes of > the customer dish and economics. > > For a good example go to a very densely populated developing nation > envir

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-10 Thread Eric Kuhnke
With common Ku band TVRO (receive only) dishes and decoders, one of the constraints for moving to higher bitrates is the physical sizes of the customer dish and economics. For a good example go to a very densely populated developing nation environment. Saddar, central Rawalpindi, Pakistan would be

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Jul/20 22:49, Masataka Ohta wrote: > We should also use IP even over radio waves. IP over MPEG2-TS > over DVB (or terrestrial broadcast network) is doable though > IP directly over DVB should be better. Well, when we moved over from traditional satellites to inclined orbit satellites back

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Masataka Ohta
Mark Tinka wrote: It's just that with more and more stuff being loaded on to IP (not to mention, good ol' IPTV), Good. does it make sense for broadcasters to upgrade satellite infrastructure and decoders to support 1080p, 4K, 8K, 16K, e.t.c., when all you need is an app and an Internet conne

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
Proprietary startups for M2M in most of cases bad idea, especially if they require custom hardware (those operate in VHF band). And with such history:

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Jul/20 18:00, Christopher Munz-Michielin wrote:   > I'd assume it's a question of available bandwidth and availability of > decoders.  From my observations most HD satellite feeds seem to sit > between 3 and 5 mbps, a typical Ku band transponder might have a > bandwidth of around 20-25mbps.

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Jul/20 17:51, Joel M Snyder wrote: > Oh man I wish that were wholly true... Satellite/VSAT has another very > very important attribute: it's not subject to the whims of the local > government or regulators. So when there's an election or some unrest or > coup or the prime minister has ver

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Christopher Munz-Michielin
On 09/07/2020 08:00, Mark Tinka wrote: So is there a reason why we are not seeing widespread 1080p TV via satellite? They seem to exist where a broadcaster also supports an IPTV platform. Mark. I'd assume it's a question of available bandwidth and availability of decoders.  From my observations

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Joel M Snyder
On Jul 8, 2020, at 3:05 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: >Satellite earth stations are not irrelevant, however. They still do get >used to provide satellite-based TV services, and can also be used for >media houses who need to hook up to their network to broadcast video >when reporting in the region (even

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Jul/20 16:51, Christopher Munz-Michielin wrote: > > There are a few 4K test streams.  NASA TV is one: > > https://www.lyngsat.com/tvchannels/us/NASA-TV-UHD.html > > I just piped it into ffmpeg and the NASA TV feed runs 10-15mbps, H.265 > encoding at a resolution of 3840x2160.  So definitely

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Christopher Munz-Michielin
On 09/07/2020 05:34, Mark Tinka wrote: Does anyone know of (m)any satellite TV services delivering 1080p or greater? The most I've seen on our side of the rock is 1080i. If there is an inherent commercial restriction in how many pixels we can grab over satellite at scale, it might be tricky for

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Jul/20 04:47, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: >   > I don't think traditional satellites have much future as backbone. > Only as broadcasting media. Does anyone know of (m)any satellite TV services delivering 1080p or greater? The most I've seen on our side of the rock is 1080i. If there is

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Mike Lyon
For the IoT/M2M stuff that doesn’t require huge amounts of data, there is a Silicon Valley startup that is deploying cube sats for just that. Swarm Technologies https://www.swarm.space/ -Mike > On Jul 8, 2020, at 19:49, Denys Fedoryshchenko > wrote: > > On 2020-07-08 10:05, Mark Tinka wro

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2020-07-08 10:05, Mark Tinka wrote: On 7/Jul/20 21:58, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Watching the growth of terrestrial fiber (and PTP microwave) networks going inland from the west and east African coasts has been interesting. There's a big old C-band earth station on the hill above Freetown, Sierra Le

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jul/20 15:21, Paul Nash wrote: > When we started TICSA (Internet Africa/Verizon/whatever), we went with a 9600 > bps satellite link to New Jersey specifically because the SAT-2 fibre had > just been installed and traffic was being moved off satellite. The satellite > folk were getting *

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Paul Nash
When we started TICSA (Internet Africa/Verizon/whatever), we went with a 9600 bps satellite link to New Jersey specifically because the SAT-2 fibre had just been installed and traffic was being moved off satellite. The satellite folk were getting *very* nervous, and gave us a heavily discounted

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 21:58, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Watching the growth of terrestrial fiber (and PTP microwave) networks > going inland from the west and east African coasts has been > interesting. There's a big old C-band earth station on the hill above > Freetown, Sierra Leone that was previously the cap

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Watching the growth of terrestrial fiber (and PTP microwave) networks going inland from the west and east African coasts has been interesting. There's a big old C-band earth station on the hill above Freetown, Sierra Leone that was previously the capital's only link to the outside world. Obsoleted

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-07 Thread j k
Any idea what network protocol(s) used with Starlink? On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 5:08 AM Saku Ytti wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 06:35, Harry McGregor > wrote: > > > Once the laser based inter-sat links are running (Starlink 2.0?), it > should be lower latency vs Fiber. > > I understood it's not cle

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 06:35, Harry McGregor wrote: > Once the laser based inter-sat links are running (Starlink 2.0?), it should > be lower latency vs Fiber. I understood it's not clear if this will ever happen. In local constellation it might, but supposedly technology does not currently actua

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 10:07, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > The most noteworthy thing I'm seeing in C band these days, is many > customers formerly 100% reliant upon it shifting their traffic to > newly built submarine fiber routes. Before most of Africa had submarine fibre, a lot of our traffic was carried on C-B

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 08:51, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: >   > And as Ku is often covering specific regions, often it means rainy > days for most transponder customers. > This is why in zones closer to equator, with their long-term monsoon, > C-Band was only option, > no idea about now. In much of Afric

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The most noteworthy thing I'm seeing in C band these days, is many customers formerly 100% reliant upon it shifting their traffic to newly built submarine fiber routes. On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 11:51 PM Denys Fedoryshchenko < nuclear...@nuclearcat.com> wrote: > On 2020-07-07 08:32, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2020-07-07 08:32, Eric Kuhnke wrote: "no clouds" is overstating the effect somewhat. I've operated a number of mission critical Ku band based systems that met four nines of overall link uptime. The operational effect of a cloud that isn't an active downpour of rain is negligible. Continual ove

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
"no clouds" is overstating the effect somewhat. I've operated a number of mission critical Ku band based systems that met four nines of overall link uptime. The operational effect of a cloud that isn't an active downpour of rain is negligible. Continual overcast of clouds is not much of a problem a

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2020-07-07 06:48, Eric Kuhnke wrote: This is why adaptive coding and modulation systems exist. Also dynamic channel size changes and advanced computationally intensive FECs. You don't think people working on microwave band projects above 10GHz with dollar figures in the hundreds of millions a

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
This is why adaptive coding and modulation systems exist. Also dynamic channel size changes and advanced computationally intensive FECs. You don't think people working on microwave band projects above 10GHz with dollar figures in the hundreds of millions are unaware of basic rain fade and link bud

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2020-07-07 05:04, joe mcguckin wrote: Theoretically, Starlink should be faster cross country than terrestrial fiber. Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications j...@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax When there is no clouds.

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread Harry McGregor
Hi, Startlink 1.0, probably will not have lower latency vs Fiber (either cross country or across oceans) Once the laser based inter-sat links are running (Starlink 2.0?), it should be lower latency vs Fiber. With ground stations only: https://youtu.be/m05abdGSOxY With laser links: https://

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread james jones
"In Theroy" -- ROFL Don't get me wrong it would be awesome if that turns out to be the case. On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 10:05 PM joe mcguckin wrote: > Theoretically, Starlink should be faster cross country than terrestrial > fiber. > > > Joe McGuckin > ViaNet Communications > > j...@via.net > 650-2

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-06 Thread joe mcguckin
Theoretically, Starlink should be faster cross country than terrestrial fiber. Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications j...@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax