Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-12-04 Thread Stephen Fulton
ww.ics-il.com > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > - Original Message - > > From: "Nick Hilliard" > To: "Mikael Abrahamsson" > Cc: "NANOG list" > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:10:17 AM > Subject: Re: 100G - Whi

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Cc: "NANOG list" Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:10:17 AM Subject: Re: 100G - Whitebox Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> Mostly you can engineer around this, but it's not as simple as saying >> that small-buffer switche

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-21 Thread Coyo Stormcaller
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:10:17 +0100 Nick Hilliard wrote: > IOW, know your requirements and choose your tools to match. Same as > with all engineering. Very fascinating read. Thank you for posting.

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-21 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hello Mike, Le 20/08/2017 à 17:45, Mike Hammett a écrit : > Looking at cost effective options brings us to whitebox switches. Obviously > there's a wide range of hardware vendors and there are a few OSes available > as well. Cumulus seems to be the market leader, while IPinFusion seems to be >

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-21 Thread Nick Hilliard
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> Mostly you can engineer around this, but it's not as simple as saying >> that small-buffer switches aren't suitable for an IXP. > > Could you please elaborate on this? > > How do you engineer around having basically no buffe

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Nick Hilliard wrote: Mostly you can engineer around this, but it's not as simple as saying that small-buffer switches aren't suitable for an IXP. Could you please elaborate on this? How do you engineer around having basically no buffers at all, and especially if these ve

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
Fredrik Korsbäck wrote: > The only viable merchant silicon chip that would be useful for a IXP > is from the StrataDNX-family which house the > jericho/qumran/petra/arad chips from broadcom. No packetbuffer in the > exhangepoint will shred performance significantly, especially when > one of your bu

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Fredrik Korsbäck
The only viable merchant silicon chip that would be useful for a IXP is from the StrataDNX-family which house the jericho/qumran/petra/arad chips from broadcom. No packetbuffer in the exhangepoint will shred performance significantly, especially when one of your bursty 100G customers starts send

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Bill Woodcock
Why don't we just swap out your 40g switch for a 100g switch? You've had the 40g one for a while, and we anticipate upgrades every 18-24 months. -Bill > On Aug 20, 2017, at 08:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I first sent to an IX-specific mailing list, but as I have yet to s

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Raymond Burkholder
On 08/20/17 13:30, Mike Hammett wrote: DNX/Jericho would have sufficient buffers to handle the rate conversions? You could try Mellanox. Some of the promotional stuff I've seen/heard indicates their focus on appropriate sized buffers & low packet loss on rate conversion. - Mike Hamme

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Mike Hammett
"NANOG list" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:07:07 AM Subject: Re: 100G - Whitebox > On Aug 20, 2017, at 08:45, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Any particular hardware platforms to go towards or avoid? Broadcom Tomahawk > seems to be quite popular with varying control plan

Re: 100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
> On Aug 20, 2017, at 08:45, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Any particular hardware platforms to go towards or avoid? Broadcom Tomahawk > seems to be quite popular with varying control planes. LINX went Edgecore, > which was on my list given my experience with other Accton brands. Fiberstore > has

100G - Whitebox

2017-08-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I first sent to an IX-specific mailing list, but as I have yet to see the message hit the list, I figured I would post it here as well. We've had multiple requests for 100G interfaces (instead of Nx10G) and no one seems to care about the 40G interfaces we have available. Looking at cost effec