Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-18 Thread Arturo Servin
Well, you just made my point. Just change "cold" for "cyber". /as On 8/17/13 9:26 PM, Jayram Déshpandé wrote: > SDN is not a new concept at all. > > Infact since ARPANET days, the notion of centralized control plane had a > lot of traction. But with Cold war around, It made mor

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined WAN

2013-08-18 Thread excelsio
So, where can I buy those "google switches": http://www.networking-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=29803

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Avi Freedman wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Avi Freedman > wrote: > > > OK, so it was horrible expect scripts but it worked. > > Not really. > The idea of centralized decision makers doing something (typically > per flow) has been proposed, in my exp

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread Avi Freedman
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Avi Freedman wrote: > > > No, people never use *flow controllers* for anything. > > > People have been doing SDN since before Google was around. > > OK, so it was horrible expect scripts but it worked. > > Not really. Note I am talking about flow controllers i

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread Jayram Déshpandé
SDN is not a new concept at all. Infact since ARPANET days, the notion of centralized control plane had a lot of traction. But with Cold war around, It made more sense to push the control plane intelligence into individual decision points (routers , switches , et . al. ). Considering the possibili

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread Jeff Kell
On 8/17/2013 7:14 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: > Hacker will love SDN ... Yes. Traditional SDN is big, flat layer-2 network with global mac-address resolution, and a big fat Java applet managing the adjacency tables. What could *possibly* go wrong? Jeff

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread Arturo Servin
Hacker will love SDN ... :) Bye, bye dumb and resilient network ... .as On 8/17/13 8:02 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > A software defined network is one where the forwarding behavior can be > completely defined > in software running outside of the devices that perform the forwarding.

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Avi Freedman wrote: > No, people never use *flow controllers* for anything. > People have been doing SDN since before Google was around. > OK, so it was horrible expect scripts but it worked. > Not really. Automatic reconfiguration of routers is not what a softwa

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread jim deleskie
At iMCI (pre-Worldcom) we had scripts that would build all our ATM VC's for a 400node mesh, would take all night to run :) -jim On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Avi Freedman wrote: > > No, people never use *flow controllers* for anything. > > People have been doing SDN since before Google wa

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined

2013-08-17 Thread Avi Freedman
No, people never use *flow controllers* for anything. People have been doing SDN since before Google was around. OK, so it was horrible expect scripts but it worked. Avi > Unpossible. I heard that no one really uses sdn for anything. > > :) > > T

Re: [Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined WAN

2013-08-17 Thread Todd Underwood
Unpossible. I heard that no one really uses sdn for anything. :) T On Aug 17, 2013 2:43 PM, "staticsafe" wrote: > "We present the design, implementation, and evaluation of B4, a pri- > vate WAN connecting Google’s data centers across the planet." > > - http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~vahdat/papers/b4-

[Paper] B4: Experience with a Globally-Deployed Software Defined WAN

2013-08-17 Thread staticsafe
"We present the design, implementation, and evaluation of B4, a pri- vate WAN connecting Google’s data centers across the planet." - http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~vahdat/papers/b4-sigcomm13.pdf -- staticsafe O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Please don't top post. Please d