Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote: > admission fee waived or reduced, all the rest MUST pay, even if you > give a talk or serve in other capacity. > As others said you are doing a "public service" to the rest of the > community and if you give a nice and valuable talk you will ge

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 10:19:34AM -0500, Jorge Amodio wrote: > As others said you are doing a "public service" to the rest of the > community and if you give a nice and valuable talk you will get the > recognition of the NANOG community and your colleagues, and we can put > into consideration incl

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread Randy Bush
> The SC did not receive comp registration any time while I was serving > on it. aha! sorry. my memory is not what it used to be. > I do feel the need to suggest that Dorian/Randy are on the mark here, > most of these people would pay anyways. as i said, if nanog has the funds, i would support

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread jim deleskie
I think a co-pay would be be reasonable.If I human manually did a refund I'm sure the process could ne 'fixed'. It would be interesting to know how many people, based on paste events this would impact. I agree in that I as well suspect its a very low number. -jim On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:5

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread Jared Mauch
Two comments here: In the past a human would review and refund speakers if they paid. A nominal co-pay may be appropriate, even if it's just $10. Students qualify for lower rates last I recall as well. We are talking about a small number of people here, at most 1-2 per conference I suspect bas

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread jim deleskie
I have no problem with speakers getting in free. Speakers may or may not be active in the community and if you want to continue to draw quality speakers this is truly the least the community can do. Many conferences will pick up travel costs, or even token 'gifts' for speakers. As for committee

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread Jorge Amodio
I agree that only those organizing or with a real need of financial support (folks from developing countries or from non-profit orgs or some students without substantial resources) could have their admission fee waived or reduced, all the rest MUST pay, even if you give a talk or serve in other cap

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread Jared Mauch
The SC did not receive comp registration any time while I was serving on it. It was possible to be comped for one of a few reasons: 1) Host 2) Speaker 3) Merit 4) B&G Sponsor (i think they got 2 comp registrations) 5) the ARIN scholarship thing. I was on the SC and also on a panel in Dallas (th

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread kobi hsu
> > > To bring it closer to home - we give our presenters a free admission - > > should we also stop that? > > i am ambivalent. i think there is some sort of untested assumption that > this attracts an otherwise unattracted resources we need. > > otoh, committees seem to attract flies. i will not

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> On the flip side of this, many of our employers donate "our" time that >> they are paying us for in order for us to serve NANOG with nary a >> benefit.  If you take just committee calls for the PC alone, this is >> 48 hours a year - a workweek.

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Randy Bush
> For context in this discussion, how many times have you personally > accepted free registration in return for presenting? btw, i do not remember a meeting where being comped as an SC member or a speaker affected whether i would attend or not. [ and no, senator mccarthy, i am not now nor have i

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Randy Bush
> For context in this discussion, how many times have you personally > accepted free registration in return for presenting? no idea. i also think i was comped for being on the SC. like jared, i would have paid. randy

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread David Temkin
For context in this discussion, how many times have you personally accepted free registration in return for presenting? -Dave On Sep 1, 2011 8:13 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote: >> On the flip side of this, many of our employers donate "our" time that >> they are paying us for in order for us to serve N

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Randy Bush
> On the flip side of this, many of our employers donate "our" time that > they are paying us for in order for us to serve NANOG with nary a > benefit. If you take just committee calls for the PC alone, this is > 48 hours a year - a workweek. Perhaps they should feel that this > donation nets the

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread David Temkin
On the flip side of this, many of our employers donate "our" time that they are paying us for in order for us to serve NANOG with nary a benefit. If you take just committee calls for the PC alone, this is 48 hours a year - a workweek. Perhaps they should feel that this donation nets them somethin

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Randy Bush
> How is that "getting paid"? you're kidding, right? > Don't know if you've ever done Habitat for Humanity no. i teach in the poor countries. i pay my way. > To bring it closer to home - we give our presenters a free admission - > should we also stop that? i am ambivalent. i think there i

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Owen DeLong
I support conference admission for volunteers who give their time to organize the conference, etc. (such as program committee members, steering committee members, speakers, etc.). I would not support other forms of remuneration or expanding the free conference admission beyond those directly invol

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Jared Mauch
I have had my registration fee refunded when I was a speaker when my employer was happy to pay. This frustrated me when the meeting had low registration and lost money. I'm fine with people getting it waived, but the idea of everyone showing up for a "roll-call" so they can get in free is cert

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread David Temkin
Randy, How is that "getting paid"? Receiving services in kind? Don't know if you've ever done Habitat for Humanity, but you get a free lunch, paid for by those who have given cash to support the cause and not labor. To bring it closer to home - we give our presenters a free admission - should w

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, team. > i do not support getting paid for community service. a primrose path. Bravo and agreed! Thanks, Rob. - -- Rob Thomas Team Cymru https://www.team-cymru.org/ "Say little and do much." M Avot 1:15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Gn

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Randy Bush
i do not support getting paid for community service. a primrose path. randy