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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 7:29 PM Aistis Zenkevičius
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>>> So, a bit like this then: https://noia.network/technology
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So, a bit like this then: https://noia.network/technology
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On 10/21/19 4:41 PM, Jeffrey Haas wrote:
I'm not someone qualified, but I'll regurgitate what I've distilled from past
conversations with those who are.:-)
Presuming your key is strong enough, it may be infeasible to break it in a time
that's of interest to the parties involved. The primary i
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Brandon Martin wrote:
>
> On 10/21/19 3:37 PM, Jeffrey Haas wrote:
>> BGP over ipsec works fine. But that said, it's mostly done with pre-shared
>> keys.
>
> Is anybody actually doing it in practice?
Absolutely. In the SP sector? Less clear.
>> The ugly is
This was one thing I highlighted to the people telling me how I secure my
network wrong. If it's HTTP and you lose a few clients maybe they don't care.
If it's BGP I have one client and I care a lot and that session dropping can be
gigs to tbps of traffic.
Sent from my iCar
> On Oct 21, 2019,
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Brandon Martin wrote:
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> On 10/21/19 11:30 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>> Why cannot one just put the MD5 authenticated connection inside a TLS
>> connection? What is the advantage to be gained by replacing the
>> authentication mechanism with weaker certificate
On 10/21/19 3:37 PM, Jeffrey Haas wrote:
> BGP over ipsec works fine. But that said, it's mostly done with pre-shared
> keys.
Is anybody actually doing it in practice? Every transit and peering document
I've ever seen just talks about TCP-MD5 (if it talks about authentication at
all).
> The
On 10/21/2019 1:25 PM, Brandon Martin wrote:
Wouldn't ipsec be a "cleaner" solution to this (buginess of implementations and
difficulty of configuration aside)? It would also solve the TCP-RST injection issues that TCP-MD5
was intended to resolve. You can use null encryption with ESP or even
On 10/21/19 11:30 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> Why cannot one just put the MD5 authenticated connection inside a TLS
> connection? What is the advantage to be gained by replacing the
> authentication mechanism with weaker certificate authentication method
> available with TLS?
Self-issued certif
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, at 17:30, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> Why do you need to do anything? TLS is Transport Layer Security and
> it's sole purpose is to protect communications from eavesdropping or
> modification by wiretappers on/in the line between points A and B. MD5
> in BGP is used for authe
>On 21/10/19 6:30 pm, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> Yes, and I really like Julien's proposal. It even looks pretty
>> complete. There are just a few details missing around how to make the
>> MD5 => TLS transition smooth.
>At least for those systems that run on Linux (which is most all of the
>major's
On 21/10/19 6:30 pm, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Christopher Morrow writes:
>
>> isn't julien's idea more akin to DOT then DOH ?
>
> Yes, and I really like Julien's proposal. It even looks pretty
> complete. There are just a few details missing around how to make the
> MD5 => TLS transition smooth.
Christopher Morrow writes:
> isn't julien's idea more akin to DOT then DOH ?
Yes, and I really like Julien's proposal. It even looks pretty
complete. There are just a few details missing around how to make the
MD5 => TLS transition smooth.
Sorry for any confusion caused by an attempt to make
0400,
> >>>> Phil Pishioneri wrote
> >>>> a message of 9 lines which said:
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> >>>>> Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
> >>>>> UMass Amherst researchers to use cloud-based ‘logic
On Sunday, 20 October, 2019 06:08, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>Hank Nussbacher writes:
>> Centralized Internet routing - sounds like DoH for BGP.
>Great idea! Why don't we just run BGP over HTTPS? Everyone already has
>a browser, so we can get rid of all these expensive routers.
>The future is BoH
Julien Goodwin writes:
> On 20/10/19 11:08 pm, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> Hank Nussbacher writes:
>>> On 07/10/2019 17:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
>>>> Phil Pishioneri wrote
>>>> a message of 9
On 20/10/19 11:08 pm, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Hank Nussbacher writes:
>> On 07/10/2019 17:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
>>> Phil Pishioneri wrote
>>> a message of 9 lines which said:
>>>
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Betreff: Re: "Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing"
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, at 16:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> Executive summary: it's SDN for BGP. Centralizin
Hank Nussbacher writes:
> On 07/10/2019 17:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
>> Phil Pishioneri wrote
>> a message of 9 lines which said:
>>
>>> Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
>&g
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, at 16:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> Executive summary: it's SDN for BGP. Centralizing Internet routing,
> what could go wrong? (As the authors say, "One reason is there is no
> single entity that has a big picture of what is going on, no
> manager". I wonder who will be I
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:02:30 +0200, Warren Kumari said:
> I haven't found the actual work that is being referenced here, and I
> *am* quite skeptical based upon the title / premise -- but, I suspect
> (well, hope) that this is just another instance of complex technical
> material being munged by m
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:45 PM Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
> Phil Pishioneri wrote
> a message of 9 lines which said:
>
> > Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
> > UMass Amherst researchers to
Feel that this is more down the line of RFC 7511, no? ;-)
—Dennis
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 07:25 J. Hellenthal via NANOG
wrote:
> See RFC 1149 & 2549
>
> ;-)
>
> --
> J. Hellenthal
>
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says
> a lot about anticipated traffic v
See RFC 1149 & 2549
;-)
--
J. Hellenthal
The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a
lot about anticipated traffic volume.
> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:29, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
>
>> On Monday, 7 October, 2019 08:55, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct
On Monday, 7 October, 2019 08:55, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 04:42:11PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> Otherwise, an impressive amount of WTF. My favorite: "while
>> communication by servers ___on the ground___ might take hundreds of
>> milliseconds, in the cloud the s
On 07/10/2019 17:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
Phil Pishioneri wrote
a message of 9 lines which said:
Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
UMass Amherst researchers to use cloud-based ‘logically centralized
control
todays practice.
I think this would work if you re-route the
plasma conduits on deck 23 to the output of the main deflector dish.
At 03:52 PM 04/10/2019, Phil Pishioneri wrote:
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Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
UMass
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 04:42:11PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> Otherwise, an impressive amount of WTF. My favorite: "while
> communication by servers ___on the ground___ might take hundreds of
> milliseconds, in the cloud the same operation may take only one
> millisecond from one machine t
On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
Phil Pishioneri wrote
a message of 9 lines which said:
> Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
> UMass Amherst researchers to use cloud-based ‘logically centralized
> control’
Executive summary: it's SDN for BGP
[Came up in some digest summary I receive]
Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
UMass Amherst researchers to use cloud-based ‘logically centralized
control’
https://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/using-cloud-resources-dramatically-improve
-Phil
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