On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 07:17:23PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
> All these darn wall warts are almost, but slightly different (5v, 12v,
> 24v). No -48v CPE?
Ubiquiti EdgeRouter PoE 5 can use 48VDC.
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but without a clear
mechanism to continue to be in compliance. This could become a full
time job, if the defendants want to play the game right. "israel.tv"?
"1srael.tv" (with a "1" or "L" for the first letter, etc).
Is anybody here considering recov
tribution.
Doesn't even begin to touch on pwnage issues.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false
w cheap it was sold to some
other party?
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that
democracy means th
27;t about general problems.
This is about a tech claiming it's due to PoE, and that he's seen it
often before.
I certainly have a lot of sympathy for cable techs, but that doesn't
mean I want to swallow any random garbage they want to blame issues on.
Please just tell me it's the
ng
to resolve a real issue.
So if you want the $100 test to eliminate PoE electrical effects, get
a pair of media converters and run fiber between them. Put the CPE on
the far end. Optimize as appropriate if you have SFP-capable switches.
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g with an open mind, but I draw the line at crazy.
Given that so much of the world works on PoE, it seems like the other
potential resolution would be to note that there's an implication here
by the tech that Comcast's hardware is standards noncompliant and ask
them what they plan to re
d-up"? What crontab is there that would clear out
such buildups in the router's daily run? What capacitor would store up
juice for precisely 24 hours? What's the mechanism here? CURIOUS MINDS
WANT TO KNOW!
Been doing PoE everywhere for years and this is the stupidest thing I'
much
more productive, if you're going to be touching gear, to move towards
IPv6.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurt
ked
does not mean that everyone is fine with it.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that
democr
ability hours, rather than
giving someone hours AND a timezone and making them do the math. If I
say that I'm available for an hour at 22:00 UTC, that works out anywhere
on the globe. But do you know what timezone "CDT" is? When's "17:00 CDT"?
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On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 09:55:42AM +0200, Saku Ytti wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 21:00, Joe Greco wrote:
> > I really never thought it'd be 2022 and my networks would be still
> > heavily v4. Mind boggling.
>
> Same. And if we don't voluntarily agree to do somet
differences feel like arrogant protocol
developers who know what's best for you and are going to make you
comply with their idea of how the world should work, complexity be
damned.
I really never thought it'd be 2022 and my networks would be still
heavily v4. Mind boggling.
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within
your organization. These could be used to target those people with
malware, or to forge legitimate-looking e-mails "from" your security
department to your other employees.
It is likely that no good can come of engaging with these.
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lware. But this has to include service
providers giving a damn about what they let their customers spew out
onto the network, and it's been many years since it became clear that
profit margin won out over being a decent netizen.
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alternative DNS or even
network, etc., are given encouragement if you cut them off.
It may be best to focus on things that are less IP-centric and more
of a problem-solving variety. Running a good Tor node, by any chance?
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.
Pity I didn't know that when I removed it while cleaning up the huge
mess. And yes of course I checked that all the pairs were dead.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread w
the opportunity for
DNSSEC to reduce the chance of an ISP to muck with the intended result.
We could even call it the Enhanced Link Verification Internet Service.
"ping elvis" :-P
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"The strain of anti
On Wed, Feb 09, 2022 at 11:21:26PM +, Mark Delany wrote:
> On 09Feb22, Joe Greco allegedly wrote:
>
> > So what people really want is to be able to "ping internet" and so far
> > the easiest thing people have been able to find is "ping 8.8.8.8" or
atively simple thing complicated, and we'll end up needing a special
non-ping client and some trainwreck of names and other hard-to-grok
garbage, and then we're perilously close to coming back to the current
situation where people are using arbitrary targets out on the Internet
for conne
s there for, after all. Right?
I don't care if it misses 9% or 99% or 99.997%. If I can generate some
cheap and easy hits, without finding out about problems the Equifax
way, I don't see the harm in that. Sometimes we do things "just in
case."
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Of course, then again, we also have two AC sump pumps and one that is
battery backup, all protected by generator and ATS.
I prefer to know. You, of course, are free to disregard as you see
fit.
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"The strain of
In my experience, this tends to reveal
issues that might have been forgotten or never known about to begin
with. Most organizations have a variety of zombie legacy systems
that were set up by people on staff several generations ago.
The more tools at your disposal to identify breached systems, the
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:39:58PM +0100, J??rg Kost wrote:
> You can't see it.
I think you meant "you can't reliably see it". This doesn't mean
that it isn't worth looking for obvious cases where you CAN see
it.
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that
the problem is on Facebook's side quickly and easily.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notio
On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 02:57:42PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 10/5/21 14:52, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> >That's not quite true. It still gives much better clue as to what is
> >going on; if a host resolves to an IP but isn't pingable/traceroutable,
> &g
't magically get you service back, of course, but it
leaves a better story behind than simply vanishing from the network.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its
ing up a TON of
space. A full "pod" could be reduced to 3x USR TC's, so two whole pods
could be replaced with a single rack of gear.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread
e, but the best
part of having rails is having the support on the back end.
> Also, I hate 0U power, for that very reason, there's never room to
> move devices in and out of the rack if you do rear-mount networking.
Very true.
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gling a company with a
hundred thousand employees, calling their contact number on the Web,
and getting through to anybody who knows anything at all about IT,
well, you can spend a day at it and still have gotten nowhere.
It's too bad that this information is so frequently redacted for
privacy.
.
Are there examples that do not conflate other areas of the law?
Given the subject here, it seems relevant to want examples closer to
what Parler and service providers providing them services or connectivity
might need to consider.
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istressing, but I am not so libertarian as to insist that
others pay for this stuff with their lives. I don't have any idea what
the correct answer is, though.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has
en rid of it?
>
> c = 186,282 miles/second
> 2742 miles from Seattle to Washington DC mainly driving I-90
>
> 2742/186282 ~= 0.015 seconds
Speed of light in a fiber is more like 124K miles per second. It
depends on the refractive index. And of course amplifiers and stuff.
...
Yes, it is.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that
democracy means that 'my ignorance is
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:07:41AM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> On Saturday, 30 May, 2020 13:18, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> >The Internet didn't evolve in the way its designers expected. Early
> >mistakes and errors required terrible remediation. As an example, look
> >
trend of sending
your workloads onto someone else's cloud. It seems easy -- right up until
it isn't working the way you want it to.
But for most people, even those frequenting NANOG, maybe they just don't
want to go set up their own recursion nameservice. I'm not sayin
isco hardware let me do this for less money
> then I would pay for a buggy ubiquiti router.
[assuming that was supposed to be "Used Cisco hardware"]
Veering way off topic here, I wasn't aware that there were layer 3
stackable Cisco switches that could handle full BGP tables.
IPv6 support. And
this is their high end 10G full BGP tables router. Buyer beware.
The wifi side of things? Yes, the Ubiquiti stuff is very inexpensive
and it provides better value-per-dollar than just about anything else
out there.
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e the charter of the list, but on the
other hand, it isn't clear that there's a better place. These things
are not operational or technical issues, but eventually do come to
have an impact on operations.
Regards,
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ine, not "anon".
Whatever happened to the good old days of Jim Fleming?
sigh.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life
SSH servers to the
Internet. A well-defended SSH server can do things such as allow other
parties access to your server. I run a number of bastion SSH servers
for various purposes. You do not need to do so in an obvious manner.
That doesn't mean I'm inviting unauthorized parties to try
also a lot of room for computers to be doing the hard work of
detecting and reporting, and helping to analyze, while letting a human
look at what's actually transpired and see if it feels problematic.
However, the general solution that seems to have been adopted by the
majority of the i
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 01:46:09PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 23:14:
> >>>>Flood often works fine until you attempt to scale it. Then it breaks,
> >>>>just like Bj??rn admitted. Flooding is inherently problematic at scale.
> >
tage. As are a bunch of other things
pointed out earlier today.
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"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false noti
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 04:18:51PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 3/29/20 1:46 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >>Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56:
> >>
> >>The concept of flooding isn't
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56:
> >On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:01:04PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >>because it uses flooding and can't guarantee reliable message
> >>distribution, parti
capability that really instigated retention competition, and a number
of optimizations that I made helped make it practical.
The problem for smaller sites is simply the immense traffic volume.
If you want to carry binaries, you need double digits Gbps. If you
filter them out, the load is actually
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:31:50PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 21:46:
> >On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >>>That's so hideously wrong. It's like claiming web forums don't
> >>&g
ould that not be easier then trying to
> create and maintain new blacklists?
That hasn't worked spectacularly well even under IPv4. There's no
reason to think it'd magically work better under v6.
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7;s probably a losing game in the long run.
>
> Let=E2=80=99s hope (that it=E2=80=99s a losing game).
Just because something is a losing game doesn't mean people won't play
that game.
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&qu
e 1MB of flash and 2MB RAM (it's been a
decade so the particulars may be wrong). Only in the relatively rare
cases where a manufacturer left a lot of extra room (WRT54GL, etc) are
you likely to have sufficient extra space to do updates to gear.
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you $2560/month just for the IP space (at $10/IP)?
That'd be an incentive to look seriously at IPv6 I *think*.
Switching hosting providers will probably become a popular game for
the early depletion era, as providers attempt to rob each other of
customers. That's probably a losin
> > On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >=20
> > Passive cooling typically translates to lower performance but also can
> > be more expensive.
>
> $DAYJOB uses an immersion cooling system so it=E2=80=99s higher =
> performance and much quieter.
T
al is less tolerable,
so I've taken to always keeping a pair of earplugs with me. It makes
being around loud music, etc., much more enjoyable.
Long term exposure to noise is widely considered to be a hazard, but
walking into an average data center for an hour once a month is
probably not that
> Why not just build a Datacenter that is quiet?
Because the cost differential to do so is a lot greater than the $10
to get some hearing protection?
Passive cooling typically translates to lower performance but also can
be more expensive.
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because they fold up really nicely.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000U439KO
About the same dB reduction (21) as the above. You can of course use
both of these products together for a much higher degree of noise
reduction but I rarely find myself needing that.
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nt products cooperatively providing a service are likely to
have a higher uptime in a well-designed environment.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won'
etty much THE only
option for some functionality).
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n
and instead moving to a heterogeneous environment where possible.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass
the option being hidden away, because it
is in Microsoft's interest to get everyone using the Windows cloud
magic.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
wo
a Microsoft Account or linking to
their existing one. You have to trawl around a little to get the
better (IMHO) behaviour.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] the
apocalypse. People have willingly been exchanging
their privacy for free services on the Internet for many years. Those
of us who prefer not to rely on those services are also able to navigate
that maze.
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"
> You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your
> upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go...
You don't even need to burn it to install. Just mount the ISO and
run setup.exe
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o more work to undo the decisions made at this
step on their behalf. I do think it is rotten that the defaults for
the options are all "on."
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple'
POTS or T1
gatewaying. In general, it isn't practical to do on a small scale any
more, especially as one looks forward a few years to the inevitable
dismantling of the legacy POTS network.
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"We call it the &
> On 7/7/2015 5:39 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Unclear at best. The way it is implemented, the user has the potential
> > to go either way. A network might not want the user to have the
> > choice, clearly, but there is certainly a subset of users who will opt
> > out
> On 06/07/15 19:12, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> Terrible idea. These are the kind of features that should be opt in, and
> >> Microsoft could have done that instead.
> >
> > It *is* an option.
>
> Opt-in and opt-out are two models of having an option.
>
&g
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:12:55 -0500, Joe Greco said:
>
> > http://winaero.com/blog/windows-10-build-10074-features-a-reworked-setup-experience/
> >
> > Anyways, if you look on the first page of "Customize settings", yes
> > there's an option for &q
"Sean Donelan" writes:
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Anyways, if you look on the first page of "Customize settings", yes
> > there's an option for "Automatically connect to networks shared by my
> > contacts" and it CAN be
at 50 of my best friends on NANOG are suddenly
(and unexpectedly) populating WiFi passwords at me.
I suppose I could be wrong, but it's amazing how many LinkedIn invites
I get from people I've never heard of, who seem to only have a mailing
list in common, etc.
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that
does not eat lots of space.
> Also: 1.4Mpps per 10G link doesnt seem like the minimum packetsize one wants
> for
> handling DOS attacks, but I might be bad at math.
Always an issue.
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"We c
The edge you get there is the higher clock on the CPU. Only six cores
and only 15M cache, but 3.5GHz. The E5-2643v3 is three times the cost
for very similar performance specs. Costwise, E5 single socket is the
way to go unless you *need* more.
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27;re pleased with the 8132F, but we're not doing anything too
awful stressy with them.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you
his a reasonable point.
Remember that the National Information Infrastructure was supposed to
deliver 45Mbps symmetric connections to the end user back in the '90's,
a visionary goal but one that was ultimately subverted in the name of
telco profits.
http://it.tmcnet.com/topics/it/arti
antly more
than the expected peak rate," then there is no longer incentive for
customers to buy more than the most basic tier of service.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me
Just try uploading a DVD ISO image
for VM deployment from home to work ...
The current service offerings generally seem to avoid offering high
upstream speeds entirely, and so effectively eliminate even the
potential to explore the problem on a somewhat less-rigged basis.
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;ll note that Ubiquiti has some remarkable low-power gear capable
of 1Mpps+.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - D
to fix pool corruption with ZFS. Ideally use RAIDZ2 or RAIDZ3
to provide more appropriate levels of protection. Errors introduced
into a pool can cause substantial unrecoverable damage to the pool,
so you really want the bitrot detection and correction mechanisms to
be working "as designed.
shburn and could do it, and that
this is basically a nonstarter for us.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing
y kinda expect that they can
shovel 100Mbps down that circuit. No amount of "but you should
expect that there's packaging and you should just /knoow/ (whine
added for emphasis) that means only 80Mbps usable" is really going
to change that.
That's why I designed an analogy that is m
it is fine to count the
number of gallons pulled out of their tank instead of the amount given
to the customer.
> Like I mentioned before, this is not unique to networking, it's a broader
> concern in the design of any system or process.
Finding new ways to give the customer less
k out (IP header overhead, etc).
If not, I'm at a bit of a loss. As a customer, how do I identify that my
traffic is actually going over an ATM-over-MPLS-over-VPN-over-whatever-
other-bitrobbing-tech circuit and that I should only expect to see 60% of
the speed advertised?
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D as "not host(ing) virtualization"
when so much effort has been put into that very issue, specifically so
that we could gain the advantages of a BSD hypervisor that supported
ZFS natively...
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"We
It is a bit immature compared to Xen+Ganeti or something like that.
> would love it if debian ditched this systemd
> monstrosity and provided solid zfs.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple&#
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > But to make a long story short, and my memory's perhaps a bit rusty
> > now, but my recollection is that shorter URL's looked nicer and there
> > was significant money to be had running the registry, so th
rusty
now, but my recollection is that shorter URL's looked nicer and there
was significant money to be had running the registry, so there was
some heavy lobbying against retiring .GOV in favor of .FED.US (and
other .US locality domains).
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more
subtle radio shenanigans, and they have the authority to sort it all
out, so what we should really be hoping for is that the FCC doesn't
do something onerous like mandate registration of access point MAC's
and SSID's if and when it gets to a point where it is considered a
true prob
> That link is broken and insists that I install a windows upgrade for =
> Flash on my Mac.
Try
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/fcc-votes-for-internet-fast-lanes-but-could-change-its-mind-later/
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d I agree to buy a car together and agree to sw=
> itch off who uses it every other day, can I just say "forget our agreement =
> =96 I=92m just going to drive the car myself every single day =96 its all m=
> ine=94?
Seems like a poor analogy since I'm pretty sure both parties on
od
connectivity to there, then that's dumb. Perhaps you should
figure out how to arrange peering with sites where there's
obviously going to be an unrectifiable traffic imbalance.
You're a service provider. What should your goal be? I would
have thought it obvious: Provid
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Ryan Brooks wrote:
> > On 5/15/14, 11:58 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> 2) Netflix purchases 5Mbps "fast lane"
> >
> > I appreciate Joe's use of quotation marks here.A lot of the dialog has
> > included this &#x
ut how you've managed to acquire
transit customers, that feels like the start of a dishonest discussion
because basically most of us here wouldn't buy transit from a cable
company unless it was the only available option, or there was some
other distorting reason - such as congestion - th
mand-for-fiber-gigabit-internet
Wow. What a load! But it basically serves to highlight my point.
I guess some of us are just tired of watching the Internet that we
helped to build and helped to grow get taken over by interests who
are simply looking to suck as much money out of as many poc
ience the ERL works really well for a $99 device.=20
I sent them an inquiry and they sent a friendly but fact-free response
so it is probably safe to assume that it is relatively good at basic
packet forwarding but the services will kill it.
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hings suffer if you load them down with a full table? Or
a handful of firewall rules?
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won't contact you again."
> it involves two layers of heterogeneous firewalls (protecting multiple
^
Ugh. Knew I was forgetting something.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple'
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> all successful security is about _defense in depth_.
> >> If it is inaccessible, unrouted, unroutable and unaddressable then you
> >> have four layers of security. If it is merely inaccessible and
> >>
uate horrid IPv4 hacks that were necessary for
specific reasons into IPv6 where those hacks are no longer needed.
... JG
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Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won
s and other
folly. This is overall a bad thing for the Internet, and for the
development of future protocols and applications.
Time to give up two layers of meaningless security for the riches offered
by the vastness of the new address space.
If this job were easy, anyone could do it.
... JG
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Joe
e.
So guess what. In this case, we actually spent the money to do it already
and in return we got shafted with U-Verse.
... JG
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Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
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