Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I completely agree, the original "rfq" is super suspicious. There's no need to require to be specifically at One Wilshire for a single 1U server (particularly with only 10GbE interfaces, not 100), since the most effective use of being at a major interconnect point like that is only if you're prepar

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Christopher Hawker
While it may be a plausible scenario, it IMO is highly unlikely (< 0.0001%) that this is the case in this situation, given the person that is asking... Regards, Christopher Hawker From: NANOG on behalf of Saku Ytti Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2024 3:13 P

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Siyuan Miao via NANOG
CoreSite now charges a disconnect fee for all cross-connects in addition to the MRC and connection fee. If you don't plan to cross-connect at CoreSite LA1 (One Wilshire), you may consider other nearby facilities. Most facilities are backhauled there anyway. On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 1:15 PM Saku Ytt

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 at 20:05, Christopher Morrow wrote: > I'd bet the real answer is that someone wants to connect a commodity > server to an IX and pretend to be > some network/asn and then do some not terrific things with that setup :( > > seen this in AMSIX and DECIX ... don't know that I've no

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/8/24 03:37, William Herrin wrote: Hi Eric, All of these are excellent reasons why the DC -operator- should want to use fiber in 10GE links. The question was: why does a DC -customer- want 40 gigs of specifically fiber optic connections in what is otherwise a minimum server configurati

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 4:07 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Your typical cat 6A cable is significantly fatter in diameter, less flexible > and [...] Hi Eric, All of these are excellent reasons why the DC -operator- should want to use fiber in 10GE links. The question was: why does a DC -customer- want

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
>From a strictly physical cabling point of view, while 10GBaseT is likely to work on ordinary cat5e or cat 6 cabling at very short distances such as from a server to a top of rack aggregation switch, more successful results will be seen with cat6a. Your typical cat 6A cable is significantly fatter

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/7/24 18:52, Saku Ytti wrote: I think this is the least bad explanation, some explanations are that copper may not be available, but that doesn't explain preference. Nor do I think wattage/heat explains preference, as it's hosted, so customers probably shouldn't care. Latency could very we

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 12:52 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > > budget, the actual hardware becomes very important, so i think lack of > specificity there implies it's not about latency. I'd bet the real answer is that someone wants to connect a commodity server to an IX and pretend to be some network/asn a

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 at 17:41, Brandon Martin wrote: > Among the other reasons folks have given, the 10GBASE-T PHY has added > latency beyond the basic packetization/serialization delay inherent to > Ethernet due to the use of a relatively long line code plus LDPC. It's > not much (2-4us which is

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Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Elmar K. Bins
mark@tinka.africa (Mark Tinka) wrote: > Unless others have done it differently, what I used to do was run fibre to > whatever the local terminal server's gateway router was, and use copper > within or between (nearby) racks between the terminal server and the end > device. Oh sure, if you have an

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/7/24 17:38, Elmar K. Bins wrote: Which is really detrimental if you need to OOB connect a server. IPMI ports are generally copper; I suppose that will change, but it hasn't yet. Unless others have done it differently, what I used to do was run fibre to whatever the local terminal serv

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Elmar K. Bins
br...@shout.net (Bryan Holloway) wrote: > Many of the big DCs don't do copper xconns anymore, so if you have a server > with optical NICs, you don't need a switch or media-converter. Which is really detrimental if you need to OOB connect a server. IPMI ports are generally copper; I suppose that w

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/7/24 16:14, Bryan Holloway wrote: Many of the big DCs don't do copper xconns anymore, so if you have a server with optical NICs, you don't need a switch or media-converter. If it's in-rack or in-cage (or even in-contiguous-row racks), most data centres may permit your own copper x-co

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Brandon Martin
On 8/7/24 02:01, Saku Ytti wrote: I can't help you, but I'm just awfully curious and must ask, why specifically optical ports? Seems very strange and a limiting requirement for upside that my imagination struggles to find. Among the other reasons folks have given, the 10GBASE-T PHY has added l

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 8/7/24 08:17, Mark Tinka wrote: On 8/7/24 08:01, Saku Ytti wrote: I can't help you, but I'm just awfully curious and must ask, why specifically optical ports? Seems very strange and a limiting requirement for upside that my imagination struggles to find. Many of the reasons I've hear

Re: Personal Colo 2024

2024-08-07 Thread Stefan Bethke
> On 6. Aug 2024, at 07:02, Tim Utschig wrote: > > Are there any providers of 1U personal colos these days? > > VMs are neat, but they lack the power to experiment with without > paying an arm and a leg. > > I was lucky enough to have my 1U hosted by Dave Rand back in the > day. Satisfied cu