Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread bzs
FWIW I think TLDs should cost much more, like millions, other than where they provide legitimate internationalization or specific community service functions (TBD.) 1. They're just polluting the name space, many seem frivolous like .RODEO or .FISHING (yeah those are real.) 2. Vanity corporate T

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS?

2024-07-06 Thread Matt Corallo
On 7/6/24 8:06 PM, Robert McKay via NANOG wrote: On 2024-07-06 21:11, John Von Essen wrote: Ok…. now a rabbit hole. I looked at some vanity TLDs, and it appears the ALOT of big companies have their names as TLDs, but almost none of them are using it for anything. Why is that? Is it just a cop

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS?

2024-07-06 Thread Brandon Butterworth
On 07/07/2024, 01:06:59, "Robert McKay via NANOG" wrote: People aren't used to URLs not ending in .com or possibly their local ccTLD. Anything else looks suspicious or isn't even recognised as a URL and less people will visit it. True but when you are multinational you probably have a .co

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread Rubens Kuhl
> If I have an LG TV and it wants to update to .LG and LG is > DNSSEC signing the whole chain, that sure seems more likely to be legit > than .lg.tv or some such. .lg and .he were mentioned as possible brand TLDs, but those are not allowed, because they are reserved for possible ccTLDs. gTLDs are

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS?

2024-07-06 Thread Robert McKay via NANOG
On 2024-07-06 21:11, John Von Essen wrote: Ok…. now a rabbit hole. I looked at some vanity TLDs, and it appears the ALOT of big companies have their names as TLDs, but almost none of them are using it for anything. Why is that? Is it just a copyright play to protect the name from some else taking

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread John Levine
According to Bill Woodcock : >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >> On Jul 6, 2024, at 22:41, Paul Ebersman wrote: >> I've been surprised that none of the folks that got TLDs seem to be >> leveraging the technical/security brand protection like they could. > >A few are. A very few. SNCF. A few banks. I can't h

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread John Levine
It appears that Bill Woodcock said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >> On Jul 6, 2024, at 22:11, John Von Essen wrote: >> I saw something online that said $250,000 but that didn’t make sense if its >> all paperwork. > >Heh. I see you are unfamiliar with ICANN. They’ve said that same paperwork >is likely to c

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread Crist Clark
If you’re LG, you own the software, you do cert pinning. Also, realize many (most? almost all?) are going to outsource the management of their vanity TLD to one of the existing companies in that market. Think of a brand that sells, I don’t know, shoes. Running a TLD is not part of their core busi

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Jul 6, 2024, at 22:41, Paul Ebersman wrote: > I've been surprised that none of the folks that got TLDs seem to be > leveraging the technical/security brand protection like they could. A few are. A very few. SNCF. A few banks. > If I have an LG TV and it wants to update to .LG and LG is

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread Paul Ebersman
essen> I saw something online that said $250,000 but that didn't make essen> sense if its all paperwork. woody> Heh. I see you are unfamiliar with ICANN. They've said that woody> same paperwork is likely to cost $375k in ICANN staff time for woody> the next round. Because, you know, inflation o

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Jul 6, 2024, at 22:11, John Von Essen wrote: > I saw something online that said $250,000 but that didn’t make sense if its > all paperwork. Heh. I see you are unfamiliar with ICANN. They’ve said that same paperwork is likely to cost $375k in ICANN staff time for the next round. Because

Re: Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread John Von Essen
I've found this conversation hugely of interest… The below isn't really a question, more of a high level clarification/further thinking. First, what actually happened and the impact (correct me if any of this is wrong): A stupid phishing complaint to NetSol by a 3rd party got he.net put into cl

Re: getting the memo, Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
See how little it has been necessary for me to pay attention to them since my net handle was assigned back in the early 90s or maybe late 80s? ;-) Cheers, -- jra3 On July 6, 2024 11:11:50 AM EDT, John Levine wrote: >According to Jay R. Ashworth : >>data I heard that that *was* a registry-side

Re: getting the memo, Out-of-Bailiwick DNS? (Was: HE.net problem)

2024-07-06 Thread John Levine
According to Jay R. Ashworth : >data I heard that that *was* a registry-side hold (and hence it didn't matter >that it was NetSol). Or perhaps that NetSol was still the registry for .net -- >that's out of date now, isn't it? Uh, yeah, Verisign spun off the NetSol registrar over 20 years ago in la

Netrality NOC contact?

2024-07-06 Thread Bryan Holloway
Trying to get a hold of a meat-popsicle in Netrality's NOC. Their web-site only lists an e-mail address and no phone number. E-mails have gone unanswered for what I would consider an emergency ... unusual for a datacenter. If anyone from there is lurking, or if someone can point me to a conta