Re: transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 9:12 PM Tim Burke wrote: > > It’s better for customer experience to keep it local instead of adding 200 > miles to the route. All of the competition hauls all of their traffic up to > Dallas, so we easily have a nice 8-10ms latency advantage by keeping transit > and peer

Re: transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Tim Burke
It’s better for customer experience to keep it local instead of adding 200 miles to the route. All of the competition hauls all of their traffic up to Dallas, so we easily have a nice 8-10ms latency advantage by keeping transit and peering as close to the customer as possible. Plus, you can’t f

Re: transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Ryan Hamel
Why not place the routers in Dallas, aggregate the transit, IXP, and PNI's there, and backhaul it over redundant dark fiber with DWDM waves or 400G OpenZR? Ryan From: NANOG on behalf of Tim Burke Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 8:45 PM To: Dave Taht Cc: Netw

Re: transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Tim Burke
I would say that a 1Gbit IP transit in a carrier neutral DC can be had for a good bit less than $900 on the wholesale market. Sadly, IXP’s are seemingly turning into a pay to play game, with rates almost costing as much as transit in many cases after you factor in loop costs. For example, in t

Re: [NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Cohen
I’m a couple years removed from dealing with this on the provider side but the focus has shifted rapidly to adding core capacity and large capacity ports to the extent that smaller capacity ports like 1 Gbps aren’t going to see much more price compression. Cost per bit will come down at higher t

transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht
This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data? https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about $900 - $1.4k (?) in th

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-14 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:37 PM John Kristoff wrote: > On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 13:59:11 -0700 > Matthew Petach wrote: > > > That last report shows that only half of the top 1000 websites on the > > Alexa ranking support IPv6. > > The Alexa ranking is no longer maintained. ISOC had a recent article

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-14 Thread Matthew Petach
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mark Andrews wrote: > > On 12 Oct 2023, at 06:51, Delong.com wrote: > > > The point here is that at some point, even with translation, we run out > of IPv4 addresses to use for this purpose. What then? > > You deliver the Internet over IPv6. A really large functi