Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-20 Thread Mark Andrews
Which you can do with DNSSEC but the key management will be enormous. -- Mark Andrews > On 21 Jun 2023, at 15:39, Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > Matt Corallo wrote: > >>> As PKI, including DNSSEC, is subject to MitM attacks, is >>> not cryptographically secure, does not provide end to end >>>

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
Matt Corallo wrote: As PKI, including DNSSEC, is subject to MitM attacks, is not cryptographically secure, does not provide end to end security and is not actually workable, why do you bother? It sounds like you think nothing is workable, we simply cannot make anything secure If an end and

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-20 Thread Matt Corallo
On 6/20/23 10:20 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote: Matt Corallo wrote: So, let's recognize ISPs as trusted authorities and we are reasonably safe without excessive cost to support DNSSEC with all the untrustworthy hypes of HSMs and four-eyes principle. I think this list probably has a few things to

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
Matt Corallo wrote: So, let's recognize ISPs as trusted authorities and we are reasonably safe without excessive cost to support DNSSEC with all the untrustworthy hypes of HSMs and four-eyes principle. I think this list probably has a few things to say about "ISPs as trusted authorities" I

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-20 Thread Matt Corallo
On 6/19/23 8:08 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote: Matt Corallo wrote: This is totally unrelated to the question at hand. There wasn't a question about whether a user relying on trusted authorities can maybe be whacked by said trusted authorities (though there's been a ton of work in this space, most

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-20 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/20/23 16:09, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote: Or the investment to upgrade doesn’t make financial sense. It never makes sense if you are printing money with no competition. Mark.

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-20 Thread sronan
Or the investment to upgrade doesn’t make financial sense. > On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:54 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On 6/20/23 15:20, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> Sometimes yes, sometimes no. >> >> When you go down in density, your fixed cost per customer really escalates >> and you simply

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-20 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/20/23 15:20, Mike Hammett wrote: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. When you go down in density, your fixed cost per customer really escalates and you simply can't afford to provision as much as you'd like to. When you leave glass as a transport mechanism, scaling isn't easy. When you don't

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. When you go down in density, your fixed cost per customer really escalates and you simply can't afford to provision as much as you'd like to. When you leave glass as a transport mechanism, scaling isn't easy. When you don't have a wireline to the customer prem, sc