Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-03 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 8:46 PM Matt Corallo wrote: > On 6/3/23 4:17 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > It *is* a security update. After some period of time, the folks running > > b.root-servers.net should file a CVE against implementations still > > using the deprecated IP address. > > Not really sure

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-03 Thread Matt Corallo
On 6/3/23 4:17 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 12:46 PM Matt Corallo wrote: I assume RHEL would ship a root hints update during that time, but such things can slip through pretty easily as its not a security update. Hi Matt, It *is* a security update. That's a really gre

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Terrence de Kat
Yes. Much like cars. --  Regards,    Terrence de Kat, PhD/MTh/BPsy      Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. From: Mel Beckman Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2023 02:41 To: Terrence de Kat Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Are we back to the 2000's again? > Sure you would. Water

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Mel Beckman
Sure you would. Water companies have reservoirs, and often people put boats in the water, move them from dock to dock, take them out of the water, and occasionally they get stolen. It’s not the water companies fault. -mel via cell On Jun 3, 2023, at 3:08 PM, Terrence de Kat wrote:  You wou

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Michael Thomas
On 6/3/23 4:24 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 4:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote: How can the RIAA even know? I mean, are they putting up honey pots or something? IIRC, they went after folks sharing the files via bit torrent rather than folks who only downloaded them. Oh yeah. T

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 4:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > How can the RIAA even know? I mean, are they putting up honey pots or > something? IIRC, they went after folks sharing the files via bit torrent rather than folks who only downloaded them. -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herr

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-03 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 12:46 PM Matt Corallo wrote: > I assume RHEL would ship a root hints update during that time, but such > things can slip through > pretty easily as its not a security update. Hi Matt, It *is* a security update. That's a really great point that I completely missed. After s

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Michael Thomas
On 6/3/23 4:01 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote: It’s like blaming water companies for people stealing boats :) It's been a while and the article is light on the facts of the case, but IIRC what happened was: RIAA made some DMCA complaints to Cox. Co

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > It’s like blaming water companies for people stealing boats :) It's been a while and the article is light on the facts of the case, but IIRC what happened was: RIAA made some DMCA complaints to Cox. Cox decided that since they were the network r

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Terrence de Kat
You wouldn't download a boat ;) --  Regards,    Terrence de Kat, PhD/MTh/BPsy      Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. From: Mel Beckman Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2023 00:06 To: William Herrin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Are we back to the 2000's again? > William, >

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Mel Beckman
William, But still, boats :) -mel > On Jun 3, 2023, at 2:58 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:03 PM Michael Thomas wrote: >> Am I missing something? > > That it's old news from 2019? Cox and RIAA are in the appeals process > from the 2019 verdict. > > -- > William He

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:03 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > Am I missing something? That it's old news from 2019? Cox and RIAA are in the appeals process from the 2019 verdict. -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/

Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Mel Beckman
It’s like blaming water companies for people stealing boats :) -mel beckman > On Jun 3, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > >  > Apparently the RIAA is back suing ISP's (Cox in this case) for users pirating > music. It was pretty bogus back then, but with the uptake of TLS for almost

Are we back to the 2000's again?

2023-06-03 Thread Michael Thomas
Apparently the RIAA is back suing ISP's (Cox in this case) for users pirating music. It was pretty bogus back then, but with the uptake of TLS for almost everything and DoH to conceal DNS requests what exactly is an ISP supposed to do these days? Throw in a VPN and the pirates completely cut

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-03 Thread Terrence de Kat
Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious, but why are you renumbering at all? Of course the diversification of RIRs is a good thing, but couldn't that be accomplished just as well by transferring the current allocation to LACNIC? It seems to me that there are a lot of reasons why, when it c

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-03 Thread Matt Corallo
On 6/1/23 3:57 PM, William Herrin wrote: Certainly we would appreciate other opinions about what the right length of a change-over time would be, especially from the operational communities that will be most impacted by this change. A server generation is about 3 years before it's obsolete a