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Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

On 5/11/23 07:28, Blake Dunlap wrote: I'm confused here, are you intentionally running larger MTU interfaces than the packet filter can handle with default config, and not wanting to change the tunable to fix the config for buffer size for the packet filter, or am I misreading? So I've go

Re: Routed optical networks

> > Why you are so sure that they have access to traffic data for many access > networks? Well, no, I didn't say that I'm sure, actually I agree with you on everything you've said. But I can't say that it's purely speculation, as that would imply that I know more than I actually do. The overview

Re: Routed optical networks

On 5/11/23 17:26, Jared Mauch wrote: And as I’ve seen, they continue to become a bit more divergent. As someone who has an access network I see where the majority of my bits go, which is to the content folks. There’s some to the other part, but mostly people want their MTV, but since it’

Re: Routed optical networks

> On May 11, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 5/11/23 15:50, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote: > >> Hi Jared, >> Could I make a conclusion from your comments: "only Carrier itself >> understand the traffic - see many examples in the text". >> I would very agree to this. > >

RE: Routed optical networks

Why you are so sure that they have access to traffic data for many access networks? Their BRASes market share is far from 100%. DSLAMs finished 20 years ago. For the cases where they support BRASes they could collect statistics. But are they doing it? Carriers have not given permission (not even

Re: Routed optical networks

On 5/11/23 15:50, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote: Hi Jared, Could I make a conclusion from your comments: "only Carrier itself understand the traffic - see many examples in the text". I would very agree to this. I wouldn't say only carriers understand the traffic as much as I would say

Re: Routed optical networks

On 5/11/23 14:15, Jared Mauch wrote We have seen a continued trend of the privatization of traffic and localization of that over time. CDN's, submarine cables and exchange points are decentralizing the "core of the Internet", and relegating IP Transit providers to whom CDN's subscribe as

Re: Routed optical networks

On 5/11/23 15:50, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote: Hi Jared, Could I make a conclusion from your comments: "only Carrier itself understand the traffic - see many examples in the text". I would very agree to this. I wouldn't say only carriers understand the traffic as much as I would say

Re: Routed optical networks

Eduard, you know the answer as well as I do, right :) ? Here's my answer: I think that Cisco can only estimate (let's not say speculate, it has pretty bad connotations) what comes out of access networks. No offence meant, I hope none is taken. Cheers, Etienne On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:47 PM Va

Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

I use bird2 with Debian11 sometimes, I'm curious, what is the usual hardware for using Linux as a router? In addition, the Linux ip rule seems to have a problem with the matching of the ipv4 source address. . . *Brandon Zhi* HUIZE LTD www.huize.asia | www.ixp.su | Twitter Thi

Re: Routed optical networks

On 5/11/23 13:25, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote: Sandvine is not representative of global traffic because DPI is installed mostly for Mobiles. But Mobile subscriber is 10x less than fixed on traffic – it is not the biggest source. Moreover, Mobiles would look better growing because the li

Re: Routed optical networks

On 5/11/23 09:33, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote: But it is speculation, not a trend yet. I remember 10y ago every presentation started from the claim that 100B of IoT would drive XXX traffic. It did not happen. Now we see presentations that AI would be talking to AI that generates

Re: Routed optical networks

On 5/11/23 13:45, Etienne-Victor Depasquale via NANOG wrote: To clarify the table I linked to in the previous email: Cisco estimates IP traffic exchanged over the access network by both businesses and consumers with: • endpoints over managed networks and • endpoints over unmanaged network

RE: Routed optical networks

Hi Jared, Could I make a conclusion from your comments: "only Carrier itself understand the traffic - see many examples in the text". I would very agree to this. Eduard -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:16 PM To: Etienne-Vic

RE: Routed optical networks

Hi Etienne, Look carefully what you have shown to me. It is a only speculation again (“predictions”). It is just a table with a collection of all predictions in the past. Moreover, averaged between years. I was asking for real data from the past 5 years. Are you sure that VNI has it? If you woul

Re: Routed optical networks

> On May 11, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Etienne-Victor Depasquale via NANOG > wrote: > > To clarify the table I linked to in the previous email: > > Cisco estimates IP traffic exchanged over the access network by both > businesses and consumers with: > > • endpoints over managed networks and > • e

Re: Routed optical networks

To clarify the table I linked to in the previous email: Cisco estimates IP traffic exchanged over the access network by both businesses and consumers with: • endpoints over managed networks and • endpoints over unmanaged networks (“Internet traffic”). Both the mobile access network and the fixed

Re: Routed optical networks

Historically, this is what VNI has claimed . Cheers, Etienne On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:25 PM Vasilenko Eduard < vasilenko.edu...@huawei.com> wrote: > I did investigate traffic for every Carrier while dealing wi

RE: Routed optical networks

I did investigate traffic for every Carrier while dealing with it as a consultant (repeated many dozens of times). I have seen over a decade how traffic growth dropped year-over-year (from 60% to 25% in 2019 when I dropped this activity in 2020 – covid blocked travel). Sometimes I talk to old con

Re: Routed optical networks

Eduard, academics cite the VNI (and the Sandvine Global reports). Do you know of alternative sources that show traffic growth data you're more comfortable with? Cheers, Etienne On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 9:34 AM Vasilenko Eduard < vasilenko.edu...@huawei.com> wrote: > But it is speculation, not a

RE: Routed optical networks

But it is speculation, not a trend yet. I remember 10y ago every presentation started from the claim that 100B of IoT would drive XXX traffic. It did not happen. Now we see presentations that AI would be talking to AI that generates traffic. Maybe some technology would push traffic next S-cu