Re: is ipv6 fast, was silly Redeploying

2021-11-23 Thread Masataka Ohta
Owen DeLong wrote: Again, wrong. The number is growing exponentially primarily because of the fragmentation that comes from recycling addresses. Nope… It occurs when (e.g. HP or MIT or AMPR) sell off pieces of a class A as smaller prefixes to various other purchasers. That, by no means, is

Re: multihoming

2021-11-23 Thread Masataka Ohta
Dave Taht wrote: The proper solution is to have end to end multihoming: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ohta-e2e-multihoming-02.txt I'd never read that. We'd made openwrt in particular use "source specific routing" for ipv6 by default, many years ago, but I don't know to what extent

Re: Google location question

2021-11-23 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 23/11/2021 22:31, Chuck Church wrote: Old issue. Everyone encounters this at some point: https://www.iucc.ac.il/en/blog/2021-05-google-geo-location/ You can try reporting it to Google: https://support.google.com/websearch/workflow/9308722?hl=en and wait a month or so to see if the issue gets

Re: Class D addresses? was: Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

2021-11-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 9:02 PM David Conrad wrote: > On Nov 23, 2021, at 10:33 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > 1. Move it from "reserved" to "unallocated unicast" (IETF action) > > Or… > > 1. IAB or IESG requests the IANA team to delegate one of > the 240/4 /8s to the RIRs on demand for experiment

Re: Class D addresses? was: Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

2021-11-23 Thread David Conrad
On Nov 23, 2021, at 10:33 AM, William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 5:03 AM Eliot Lear wrote: >> So what's the road to actually being able to use [240/4]? > > 1. Move it from "reserved" to "unallocated unicast" (IETF action) > 2. Wait 10 years > 3. Now that nearly all equipment that d

Re: is ipv6 fast, was silly Redeploying

2021-11-23 Thread j k
When considering the IPv6 product, I would suggest you read USGv6-Revision-1 (1) to define the specification you need for the product. Then go to the USGv6 Registry (2), select the features and read the Supplier Declaration of Conformity (SDOC) to ensure that the product meets your requirements. Do

Re: fun with TLDs and captive portals was, Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

2021-11-23 Thread John Levine
It appears that Francis Booth via NANOG said: >So we know RFC 2606 defined reserved TLDs like .lan and .home so there Um, this must be a different RFC 2606 than the one the rest of us have read. It mentions neither .lan nor .home. >In order to solve the chicken/egg problem of having to know your

Re: is ipv6 fast, was silly Redeploying

2021-11-23 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Nov 23, 2021, at 12:28 AM, Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > Owen DeLong wrote: > >>> The number of routing table entries is growing exponentially, not >>> because of increase of the number of ISPs, but because of multihoming. >> Again, wrong. The number is growing exponentially primarily becau

Google location question

2021-11-23 Thread Chuck Church
NANOG, Sorry if this is the wrong forum, but I figured we could all use a distraction from IPV4 expansion for a bit. We're facing a problem with corporate use of browsers and google location services. Our users across North and South America seem to be getting location info fo

Re: Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

2021-11-23 Thread Francis Booth via NANOG
> On Nov 20, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Matthew Walster wrote: > > I genuinely believe we're reaching a stalling point for IPv6 service > enabling, and it's time to focus energy on running IPv6 only clients -- and > to do that, we need to make the IPv6 only experience for residential / soho > be as p

Re: Class D addresses? was: Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

2021-11-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 5:03 AM Eliot Lear wrote: > So what's the road to actually being able to use [240/4]? 1. Move it from "reserved" to "unallocated unicast" (IETF action) 2. Wait 10 years 3. Now that nearly all equipment that didn't treat it as yet-to-be-allocated unicast has cycled out of u

multihoming

2021-11-23 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 2:49 AM Masataka Ohta wrote: > > Mans Nilsson wrote: > > > Not everyone are Apple, "hp"[0] or MIT, where initial > > allocation still is mostly sufficient. > > The number of routing table entries is growing exponentially, > not because of increase of the number of ISPs, b

Re: Class D addresses? was: Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

2021-11-23 Thread Eliot Lear
Greg Thanks for posting the links.  Our old draft seems to have largely had its intended effect without ever having been issued as an RFC (moohaha).  Most implementations don't hardcode 240/4 into a bogon filter.  We had at the time left open what next steps should be. So what's the road to

Re: is ipv6 fast, was silly Redeploying

2021-11-23 Thread Masataka Ohta
Owen DeLong wrote: The number of routing table entries is growing exponentially, not because of increase of the number of ISPs, but because of multihoming. Again, wrong. The number is growing exponentially primarily because of the fragmentation that comes from recycling addresses. Such frag