Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Xavier Beaudouin via NANOG
Hello, > I absolutely HATE testing, developing and supporting IPv4+IPv6, more > than doubling my time, adding 3rd stack would actually not increase > cost that much, it's the 1=>2 which is fantastically expensive. And > costs are transferred to customers. Dual stack is doubling dev time ? Ok...

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Saku Ytti
On Sun, 5 Sept 2021 at 19:22, Bjørn Mork wrote: > So where does that put us in a decade or two? Which protocol is > optional? If we don't get regulatory enforcement or voluntary commitments to sunset IPv4, we are doomed for dual-stack for the foreseeable future (decades). I absolutely HATE test

Re: datacenter scouting Boston area

2021-09-05 Thread Robert Taylor
There is Markley, which is right in Boston(and has a companion facility in Lowell). https://www.markleygroup.com/ There is coresite, which is in somerville, a stone's throw from boston: https://www.coresite.com/data-center/bo1-boston-ma I think Digital realty trust may have a facility in needham.

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Doug McIntyre
On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 11:07:22PM +0200, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via NANOG wrote: > Another solution that I've used on occasion is to do your own > tunnelling: find a hosting provider that can provide you a VPS with a v6 > prefix and do your own tunnelling to that. This works by virtue of being >

Re: if not v6, what?

2021-09-05 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 9/5/21 3:28 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: I looked up CGN's this morning and the thing that struck me the most was losing port forwarding. It's probably a small thing to most people but losing it means to get an incoming session it always has to be mediated by something on the outside. Yuck. S

if not v6, what?

2021-09-05 Thread Michael Thomas
On 9/4/21 10:43 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: I view IPv6 as the biggest mistake of my career and feel responsible for this horrible outcome and I do apologise to Internet users for it. This dual-stack is the worst possible outcome, and we've been here over two decades, increasing cost and reducing ser

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
Hi Toke, On 9/5/21 3:07 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via NANOG wrote: Well, that's what I used to do back when I didn't have native v6 and ran into this issue: block v6 at the DNS level. I.e., simply filter out all records for offending service providers. Pretty simple to setup on your home

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via NANOG
Grant Taylor via NANOG writes: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any recommendation for a viable IPv6 tunnel broker / > provider in the U.S.A. /other/ /than/ Hurricane Electric? > > I reluctantly just disabled IPv6 on my home network, provided by > Hurricane Electric, because multiple services my wife

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/5/21 18:22, Bjørn Mork wrote: I believe this is slowly sinking in among the technology evangelists and geeks who managed to drive the half-assed dual-stack transition a decade or two ago. No one will argue for dual-stack anymore. So where does that put us in a decade or two? Which prot

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/5/21 17:43, Brian Knight wrote: $DAYJOB (at a business SP) is much busier installing more VPNs in the form of SDWAN than anything IPv6 related.  There is a hell of a lot more customer demand for tools that route packets with finer control than just dest-based routing, not to mention

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Niels Bakker
* bj...@mork.no (Bjørn Mork) [Sun 05 Sep 2021, 18:24 CEST]: So where does that put us in a decade or two? Which protocol is optional? The one that costs money. You can already see this in mobile networks. -- Niels.

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Saku Ytti writes: > I view IPv6 as the biggest mistake of my career and feel responsible > for this horrible outcome and I do apologise to Internet users for > it. This dual-stack is the worst possible outcome, and we've been here > over two decades, increasing cost and reducing service quality.

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 9/5/21 12:48 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: There we get to the heart of things. The problem is not with IPv6 or your ISP (*), but with the Netflix software. Hum Doing happy eyeballs and selecting an IP address out of the ones available that they *then* reject because they don’t like it:

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Brian Knight via NANOG
On 2021-09-04 23:33, Mark Tinka wrote: On 9/5/21 04:49, John Levine wrote: I have asked my ISP about IPv6 and their answer is that that they're not opposed to it but since I am the only person who has asked for it, it's quite low on the list of things to do. Supporting the routing and forwa

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/5/21 06:44, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: Counting all the profit they make from a captive audience with no competition? ;) Well, with no more IPv4 to route and no IPv6 to deliver, those profits won't be lasting many more years. Mark.