On 6/3/21 8:44 AM, William Herrin wrote:
rp_filter is great until your network is slightly less than a
perfect hierarchy. Then your Linux "router" starts mysteriously
dropping packets and, as with allow_local, Linux doesn't have any
way to generate logs about it so you end up with these mysteri
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:53 PM TJ Trout wrote:
> raking=rpki+spell check
>
>
:)
I think, since we don't realy know what arin's doing ... we could
speculate :)
but:
1) unreachable publication point / CA == 'ok, see you in 30 mins on my
next cycle through the world' (no real changes)
b) revo
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:04 PM Baldur Norddahl
wrote:
> 66/34 is 2:1 or exactly the same as GPON (2.4 down, 1.2 up). We sell 1000
> symmetrical on that GPON and the customers are happy. You would have much
> less oversubscription with 100/100 on a 1.2 Gbps wireless with 66:34
> down/up ratio, tha
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> My experience is that people can prove either active-e or pon is the
> cheapest by changing the in-parameters of the calculation. There are
> valid concerns/advantages with both and there is no one-size-fits-all.
Indeed, there are people who insist cost of PON were sm
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:46 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> 2.4 gigabit per channel, but only 1.2 gigabit from a given access point.
>
> Most often, WISPs choose down\up ratios between 85/15 and 66/34 and then
> sell plans appropriately. If we're now required to have a symmetric 100
> megs, you'll be r
2.4 gigabit per channel, but only 1.2 gigabit from a given access point.
Most often, WISPs choose down\up ratios between 85/15 and 66/34 and then sell
plans appropriately. If we're now required to have a symmetric 100 megs, you'll
be robbing even more of the downstream for the upstream. Why wo
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:21 AM Baldur Norddahl
wrote:
> But isn't that just proving my point? If you can do 2,4 Gbps per
> frequency, why are the WISPs whining about a 100 Mbps requirement?!
>
The problem is this, in the US: If the government decides anything under
100Mb/s second isn't broadb
raking=rpki+spell check
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 1:32 PM Christopher Morrow
wrote:
> what is raking?
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:29 PM John Alcock wrote:
>
>> This looks special?
>>
>>
>> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/arin-will-take-down-its-rpki-for-30-minutes-to-test-your-bgp-ro
Damn autocorrect. Rpki not raking.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:29 PM John Alcock wrote:
> This looks special?
>
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/arin-will-take-down-its-rpki-for-30-minutes-to-test-your-bgp-routes/
>
what is raking?
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:29 PM John Alcock wrote:
> This looks special?
>
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/arin-will-take-down-its-rpki-for-30-minutes-to-test-your-bgp-routes/
>
This looks special?
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/arin-will-take-down-its-rpki-for-30-minutes-to-test-your-bgp-routes/
Baldur,
Dude you are just so wrong. You really need to stop guessing at things.
>A 192 core cable is approximately twice the price of a 96 core cable
192 doesn't even really exist in the mass market. The cost of 144 is not
double that of 72. 288 is not double the cost of 144. This is accurat
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote:
There's been a bit of glass in Nairobi for some time now :-). But sure, the
more, the merrier.
https://afterfiber.nsrc.org/
Steve
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> I think you're really out of touch with what is going on in the WISP space.
>
> See the following product as an example:
>
>
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/pmp-450/5-ghz-pmp-450m-fixed-wire
In my opinion, if a city is installing a fiber network for other providers to
use, they need to plan on active-e only. Let it be up to the providers back at
the head end to either plug the individual strands into a switch for active-e
or into a splitter for a PON type setup.
Thank you
Travis G
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:41 PM Masataka Ohta <
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
> As cabling cost is mostly independent of the number of cores in a
> cable, as long as enough number of cores for single star are provided,
> which means core cost is mostly cabling cost divided by number of
>
On Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Masataka Ohta wrote:
As cabling cost is mostly independent of the number of cores in a cable,
as long as enough number of cores for single star are provided, which
means core cost is mostly cabling cost divided by number of subscribers,
single star does not cost so much.
Baldur,
Mike and I are both doing FTTH. We're listening but it doesn't appear you
are saying anything correct. The statement of 5G taking down all WISPs is
probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on this list.
Josh Luthman
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Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG wrote:
I'll let Mikael confirm, but last time I checked, Stokab was mostly
(if not all) Active-E.
Sweden is mostly Active-e. There is some PON nowadays though.
Stokab typically only rents out dark fiber, so they don't have any of it.
As cabling cost is mostly in
On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 2:04 PM Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
> On 6/2/21 4:35 AM, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote:
> > Maybe you can explore the in kernel feature call RP filter or reverse
> > path filter. In router gear it's called uRPF.
> >
> > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/rp_filter
>
> +
DANE works with self generated CERTs. The TLSA record provides the
cryptographic link back to the DNSSEC root.
--
Mark Andrews
> On 3 Jun 2021, at 22:32, babydr DBA James W. Laferriere
> wrote:
>
> Hello Mark ,
>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote:
>>> On 6/2/21 11:07, Jeroen Mas
The incumbent operators and cable companies want nothing to do with these
networks because they already have their own. I’ve worked with several
smaller regional providers and WISPs that would love to have access to muni
networks but the local network muni either won’t allow the access or the
Who isn't listening to you about FTTH and in what way?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Baldur Norddahl"
To: "NANOG"
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 3:50:15 AM
Subject: Re: New minimum
The post to which I replied specifically called for a converged network for all
operators.
This is the second time I've had to say this.
Do people not read an e-mail before replying to it?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
I think you're really out of touch with what is going on in the WISP space.
See the following product as an example:
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/pmp-450/5-ghz-pmp-450m-fixed-wireless-access-point/
14x14 beam-steering Massive Multi-User MIMO. This is able to talk, in the
same channe
On the flip-side, what is the penalty for getting Telehealth calls wrong? It
could be death.
I’m gonna go coin “megaband” and the minimum upload is going to be 10,000mbps.
I’m not sure there’s a rational objection to any of this. Why should humans
spend our lifetimes waiting on machines?
Hello Mark ,
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 6/2/21 11:07, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote:
As for solutions: better education, more improvements to the tools & making
it easier. CDS records already help a lot. But we might also need to
improve recovery mechanisms, as f-ups are
Agree Mark, we are lighting fiber into EADC Nairobi as we speak. Watch
society’s next golden age come out of Africa.
-LB
Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
CEO
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in th
Thank you Baldur. I also operate an owned and designed FTTH network, as well
as global carrier networks.
If you look at this from first principles, glass fiber optical cable is cheap.
PVC/HDPE seething is also cheap. Underground space is cheap.
Construction, regulation, compliance, and
Having dealt with this personally, I can guarantee that CAF/RDOF require
phone service to be provided as an option (and no, pointing a customer
toward a third-party voip service doesn't count) to both have an area
counted as "served" (so that you're not overbuilt) and providing phone
service is a c
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:44 AM Masataka Ohta <
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
> Jim Troutman wrote:
>
> Private fiber operators are strongly motivated to deploy PON
> because PON is designed to make competitions impossible even
> if regulators forces the operators to do so, which is why
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 12:47 AM Seth Mattinen wrote:
> UBNT's AirMax line is not "wifi". Their LTU line isn't either.
>
> Mike and Josh are actual WISP operators. You've stated you have no WISP
> experience. Listen to them.
>
Neither will listen to me when it comes to FTTH so nah :-)
Seriously
Jim Troutman wrote:
However, with PON, only the provider with the largest share can
win the initial competition, after which there is monopoly.
No. Most of the municipal proposals I see are open access, even with
a PON design.
Private fiber operators are strongly motivated to deploy PON
be
On 6/3/21 09:28, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
Sweden is mostly Active-e. There is some PON nowadays though.
Stokab typically only rents out dark fiber, so they don't have any of it.
Yes, this is how I remember it some 4 or so years ago...
Thanks for the clarification.
Mark.
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote:
I'll let Mikael confirm, but last time I checked, Stokab was mostly (if
not all) Active-E.
Sweden is mostly Active-e. There is some PON nowadays though.
Stokab typically only rents out dark fiber, so they don't have any of it.
--
Mikael Abrahamssonem
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Mark Tinka wrote:
Which is the Stokab model.
Does it use single star?
The city should provide base infrastructure, lease it to operators atthe
same price, and get out of the way. End of.
With single star topology, that's fine.
https://stokab.se/
On 6/3/21 09:15, Mark Tinka wrote:
In South Africa (we don't have city-owned/operated fibre access)...
That's actually untrue - I just remembered that the City of Cape Town
actually does build fibre. It's not very clear to me to what extent they
operate it, particularly beyond supporti
On 6/3/21 09:07, Jim Troutman wrote:
No. Most of the municipal proposals I see are open access, even with
a PON design.
In South Africa (we don't have city-owned/operated fibre access), all
the major fibre operators run a GPON network. They all provide open
access to the ISP's they part
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:37 AM Masataka Ohta <
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
> > The city should provide base infrastructure, lease it to operators at
> > the same price, and get out of the way. End of.
>
> With single star topology, that's fine.
>
> However, with PON, only the provider
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