Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Nick Edwards
On 5/11/20, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP? >> >> > Because it is cheaper and easier? It is a lot of equipment there simply > does not need to be there. If you have DSL you have CPE equi

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 5/10/20 5:56 PM, Nick Edwards wrote: yes, POTS is the critical bit, the internet/data is an extra without guarantee, ie it is not a critical component, voice is. Voice may be a critical component regulationwise, especially with CO based battery backup. But in the rest of life IP bits are

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Nick Edwards
indeed, otherwise thats making the data the critical compnent and voice an add on extra which is not whats going no here :) On 5/11/20, Mike Hammett wrote: > If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP? > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Nick Edwards
yes, POTS is the critical bit, the internet/data is an extra without guarantee, ie it is not a critical component, voice is. On 5/10/20, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > Hi Nick > > Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out? > Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing her

NORAD no-fail mission - Cheyenne Mountain complex re-activated

2020-05-10 Thread Sean Donelan
In 2008, NORAD changed its Cheyenne Mount Complex to a backup command center. NORAD's day-to-day early warning mission was moved to Peterson Air Force Base. The Cheyeene Mount Complex was kept ready as a 'warm backup' and skeleton maintenance and training crews. In late February 2020, NOR

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Mike Hammett
The OP runs their own plant, so they don't need to worry about what some other entity will charge them for things. Put in combo cards and be done with it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Me

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Here we have DSL in cabinets so we can have short loop lengths and DSLAMS that control the entire bundle, to enable vectoring, v35b etc. Since this scheme does not work if there are multiple DSLAMS on a bundle, only the ILEC runs the DSLAMS now. I don't know if they just can't (Nokia) or if the pow

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Mike Hammett
>From someone that runs a DSL plant with CO-derived dial tone (and >ATAs\gateways where appropriate), no VoIP is not cheaper and easier at the >particular density we can infer from the OP. What's the "lot of equipment" that "simply does not need to be there"? I have a DSLAM line card that doe

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Clayton Zekelman
When we do DSL, we service everything out of ADSL2+ combo cards on Zhone MXK gear. -Integrated metallic testing on the combo cards helps reduce truck rolls -Having dialtone on the pair helps with identifying pairs in the field using ANAC -Having dialtone on a pair provides sealing current -H

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP? > > Because it is cheaper and easier? It is a lot of equipment there simply does not need to be there. If you have DSL you have CPE equipment and that CPE equipment can have FXP out

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 5/10/20 6:23 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: Hi Nick Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out? Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free depending on where you get the CPEs. Or simply getting VoIP handsets. Lots of cheap DECT bases with V

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Mike Hammett
If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Baldur Norddahl" To: "Nick Edwards" , nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, May 10,

Re: anyone on from hotmail.com, msn.com, live.com smtp?

2020-05-10 Thread Mike Hammett
I've noticed that the big mail outfits don't take complaints seriously from small volume-mailers. They seem to assume that you're either a big mail outfit with a ton of volume to feed their algorithms or you're spam. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: anyone on from hotmail.com, msn.com, live.com smtp?

2020-05-10 Thread Joseph Jenkins
No not at all, just replaced with a random address. So nothing from MS as of yet, best I have gotten is these two addresses to go and file complaints. It's been 2 days with no response, MS isn't so attentive it seems. https://sender.office.com https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/supportrequestfo

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Hi Nick Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out? Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free depending on where you get the CPEs. Or simply getting VoIP handsets. Lots of cheap DECT bases with VoIP. Regards Baldur søn. 10. maj 2020 14.51 sk

Re: alternative to voip gateways

2020-05-10 Thread Nick Edwards
On 5/8/20, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Masataka Ohta < > mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > >> >> Investment for FTTH is 10 times or more than that for plain DSL. >> >> > We are assuming the copper plant is already there otherwise I will > respectfully disagree