Thank you for your insights. We are not so familiar with interconnect and
peering, we will ask you some questions for clarification first. Hope you
don't mind. :-)
When there is a tri-opoly, with no opportunity of competition, its easily
> possible to set prices which are very different than marke
I see. Thank you!
Best,
Pengxiong Zhu
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
University of California, Riverside
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 9:13 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 21/Mar/20 09:09, Pengxiong Zhu wrote:
>
> How do they deliberately congest peering ports? Do you hear from those
>
On 21/Mar/20 17:53, Saku Ytti wrote:
>
> If we (me included) would be half as angry about those who have less
> than we have, as we are about those who have more than we have,
> inequality wouldn't exist. We are the beneficiaries of immense
> suffering of millions of people, things are artifici
On 21/Mar/20 14:43, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> I tend to agree - I dont think there is any capacity problem in the
> core network or server platforms, including netflix. I do not see it
> for my part as of now. I am an end user, not a Network sysadmin.
>
> I heard about EU measures to
On 21/Mar/20 14:38, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> Today first time I see in FRance TV news one interviewer puts one
> time-use covers over the microphones when interviewing people. (it's a
> one time cover in addition to the typical windshield which is
> expensive and cant be changed each t
On 21/Mar/20 13:53, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Unless the IX or OCA feed goes to the DSLAM, node, tower... no.
Not sure what you mean.
Mark.
On 21/Mar/20 23:37, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
> My remarks weren't about Netflix or any other particular service.
> (FWIW, I agree with you on both quoted points about the lack of
> evidence. Maybe it'll arrive. Maybe it won't.)
>
> I was trying to speak, perhaps unsuccessfully, in broader terms
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 04:42:51AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote:
> All I'm saying is at the moment, there is no empirical information to
> suggest that Netflix will break what's left of the Internet. Nor is
> there any empirical information suggesting that singling them out will
> help keep it going.
M
Saku Ytti wrote on 21/3/20 19:04:
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 18:55, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
> wrote:
>
>> I still don't understand why the vendors cannot make it work in one
>> direction only (the low-end platform would only need to remove an extra
>> label, no need to inspect traffic).
>> That
(skipping up the thread some)
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 5:58 PM Jared Mauch wrote:
> It’s the protocol 50 IPSEC VPNs. They are very sensitive to path changes and
> reordering as well.
>
> If you’re tunneling more than 5 or 10Gb/s of IPSEC it’s likely going to be a
> bad day when you find a low s
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 18:55, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
wrote:
> I still don't understand why the vendors cannot make it work in one direction
> only (the low-end platform would only need to remove an extra label, no need
> to inspect traffic).
> That would help us a lot, since the majority of ou
Mark Tinka wrote on 21/3/20 18:15:
> So the three or four times we tried to get FAT going (in a multi-vendor
> network), it simply didn't work.
>
> Have you (or anyone else) had any luck with it, in practice?
>
> Mark.
>
Only between Cisco boxes.
I still don't understand why the vendors cannot
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 18:19, Mark Tinka wrote:
> So the three or four times we tried to get FAT going (in a multi-vendor
> network), it simply didn't work.
Yeah we run it in a multivendor network (JNPR, CSCO, NOK), works.
I would also recommend people exclusively using CW+FAT and disabling
LSR
On 21/Mar/20 13:28, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
> 4K isn't supported by all devices and plans. I'm not sure what kind
> of savings you can actually realize there. It could be that 4K
> content isn't worth caching near the edge. Then ditching 4K could
> still have a significant effect despite rel
On 21/Mar/20 09:58, Saku Ytti wrote:
> No.
>
> FAT adds additional MPLS label for entropy, ingressPE calculates flow
> hash, based on traditional flow keys and injects that flow number as
> MPLS label, so transit LSR can use MPLS labels for balancing, without
> being able to parse the frame. S
On 21/Mar/20 09:09, Pengxiong Zhu wrote:
> How do they deliberately congest peering ports? Do you hear from those
> Chinese operators or you observe this from the traffic?
Simple - let them run at 350% of capacity and pipeline upgrades for Lord
knows how long :-).
On a serious note, let's have
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 00:15, Matthew Petach wrote:
> who finds it appalling that we consider it more important to make
> money than to save lives. :(
If we (me included) would be half as angry about those who have less
than we have, as we are about those who have more than we have,
inequality
> Internet congestion is a symptom, not the cause of this thread.
[JL] I'm wondering if one of the issues is problems with legacy TCP congestion
control algorithms. The industry has been poking at that for awhile and
approaches range from BBR to fq_codel. This is worth exploring a bit more IMO.
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Le 21/03/2020 à 08:37, Bill Woodcock a écrit :
In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
sortie one different paper. The receiver of it (police) takes it in
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me. I do not have
gloves. I wished the receiver did not use th
Le 21/03/2020 à 03:42, Mark Tinka a écrit :
On 20/Mar/20 19:38, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
+100.
In all the decades that I've been here (on the 'nets), the saddest change
I've seen is the lack of responsibility on the part of people who have,
by virtue of their positions, been given incredible powe
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Le 21/03/2020 à 03:24, Mark Tinka a écrit :
On 20/Mar/20 15:53, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
sortie one different paper. The receiver of it (police) takes it in
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me. I do
Unless the IX or OCA feed goes to the DSLAM, node, tower... no.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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* Mike Hammett:
> Netflix recommends 25 megs for Ultra HD, while only 5 megs for
> HD. That's a 5x difference in something people likely won't notice
> and would make a big difference on the additional VPN, VoIP, video
> conferencing, etc.
4K isn't supported by all devices and plans. I'm not sur
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 04:20, Steve Meuse wrote:
> What that large flow in a single LSP? Is this something that FAT lsp would
> fix?
No.
FAT adds additional MPLS label for entropy, ingressPE calculates flow
hash, based on traditional flow keys and injects that flow number as
MPLS label, so tra
Hey Matthew,
> There are *several* caveats to doing dynamic monitoring and remapping of
> flows; one of the biggest challenges is that it puts extra demands on the
> line cards tracking the flows, especially as the number of flows rises to
> large values. I recommend reading
> https://www.juniper
>> In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
>> sortie one different paper. The receiver of it (police) takes it in
>> his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me. I do not have
>> gloves. I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
>> pereson who
>
> I know about Chinese operators who will deliberately congest peering ports
> to influence 3rd party network behaviour.
How do they deliberately congest peering ports? Do you hear from those
Chinese operators or you observe this from the traffic?
Most countries in Africa do not implement great
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