Re: Searching for a quote

2015-03-15 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/12/2015 5:24 PM, Tom Paseka wrote: > Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > ^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle As with all terse summaries, the meaning of this is easy to distort. In the unfortunately not-so-uncommon extreme, it is used to argue f

Rerouting of UK traffic

2015-03-15 Thread Jonathan Tomek
Hello Everyone, DYN put out an interesting report on how 14 British telecom routes (167 prefixes) were routed through Ukraine for a good portion of time. The ASN in question is AS12883 (Vega in Kiev, Ukraine). Do you think this could be a mistake? Does anyone have any additional information to

Re: Searching for a quote

2015-03-15 Thread Matthew Petach
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, manning bill wrote: > it is true that the risk profile has changed in the last 30 years. > his core belief in interconnecting things in an open way, enabling > _anyone_ to create,build, and deploy > is the core of ISOCs “permission less innovation” thrust. > I h

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:14:05 -0400, Andrew Sullivan said: > I also think that trying to pack more bits of information into the > numbering system is a mistake. But then, I would. I think you look > those sorts of things up (in the DNS, of course ;-) ) DANE? :) pgpxZQL3U0mjq.pgp Description: P

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:40:27AM -0400, Lee Howard wrote: > > I know, I should really be having this rant in the RFC evolution WG, or > with the RFC editor. It just came up here, and I want BCOP to make > different mistakes on useful documents. Even if you suppose that the RFC series is arrang

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Harlan Stenn
Rob Seastrom writes: > The wiki/living document approach others have suggested seems like a > poor one to me, for the same reason that I dislike the current trend > of "there's no release tarball, major release, point release, or > regression testing - just git clone the repository" in free softwa

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Rob Seastrom
Charles N Wyble writes: > Use a git repository. > Make tagged releases. > This enables far easier distributed editing, translating, mirroring etc. And A fine idea in theory, but not quite as much traction in reality as bcp38. Creating a need for a BCP for retrieving BCPs so that you get the ri

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Lee Howard
On 3/13/15 5:14 PM, "m...@becknet.com" wrote: >Lee, > >On the contrary, I think RFCs are pretty consistent about always >referring you to any superseding RFCs, and superseding RFCs reference >their predecessors, creating a very useful historical doubly-linked list. >I've served on IEEE committe

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Charles N Wyble
Use a git repository. Make tagged releases. This enables far easier distributed editing, translating, mirroring etc. And you can still do whatever release engineering you want. A wiki is a horrible solution for something like this. On March 15, 2015 8:24:49 AM CDT, Rob Seastrom wrote: > >Wi

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Rob Seastrom
William Norton writes: > Agreed - Hence the “Current” in the title. Maybe the date of the > document will be the key to let people know that they have the most > current version. The date of a single document is of scant use in determining its currency unless there is some sort of requireme