Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread TR Shaw
On Jan 25, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Barney Wolff wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 02:24:52PM -0800, Stephen Satchell wrote: >> >> Today's computers don't use clocks derived from 50- or 60-hertz >> power-line frequency. The last computer I remember seeing with such a >> clock was the IBM System/360.

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Barney Wolff
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 02:24:52PM -0800, Stephen Satchell wrote: > > Today's computers don't use clocks derived from 50- or 60-hertz > power-line frequency. The last computer I remember seeing with such a > clock was the IBM System/360. The System/370 used a motor-generator set > for the power

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 01/25/2015 10:15 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > It shares another problem - that doing calculations across a boundary is > difficult. If you have a recurring timer that pops at 23:58:30 on June 30, > and you want another one in 2 minutes. do you want a timer that the next pop > is at 00:00

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Joe Klein
I spoke on time hacking and ntp 3 years ago at shmoocon. On Jan 25, 2015 12:28 PM, "Ken Chase" wrote: > I think devices would likely be fine, unless they're concerned with > reconciling > a leap-second updated ntp source and one that's not. Who wins? > > For most NTPs I would guess they're slaves

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Ken Chase
the quote from the GNU coreutils manpages on Date Input Formats: "Our units of temporal measurement, from seconds on up to months, are so complicated, asymmetrical and disjunctive so as to make coherent mental reckoning in time all but impossible. Indeed, had some tyrannical god contrived to en

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On 25 Jan 2015 17:29:25 +, "John Levine" said: > It shares with time zones the problem that you cannot tell what > the UNIX timestamp will be for a particular future time. If > you want to have something happen at, say, July 2 2025 at 12:00 UTC > you can guess what the timstamp for that will

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread John Levine
In article <201501251019290550.005c0...@smtp.24cl.home> you write: >I've always wondered why this is such a big issue, and why it's done >as it is. A lot of people don't think the current approach is so great. >In UNIX, for instance, time is measured as the number of seconds >since the UNIX epoch

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Ken Chase
I think devices would likely be fine, unless they're concerned with reconciling a leap-second updated ntp source and one that's not. Who wins? For most NTPs I would guess they're slaves to whatever feed and just 'believe' whatever they're told. (Sounds like a security hole waiting for high freque

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Karsten Elfenbein
Hi, Java had some issues with 100% CPU usage when NTP was running during the additional second in 2012. http://blog.wpkg.org/2012/07/01/java-leap-second-bug-30-june-1-july-2012-fix/ Google did something different to get the extra second in: http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2011/09/time-technology-an

Re: REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Mike.
On 1/25/2015 at 9:37 AM Jay Ashworth wrote: |This June 30th, 235959UTC will be followed immediately by 235960UTC. | |What will /your/ devices do? = I've always wondered why this is such a big issue, and why it's done as it is. In UNIX, for instance, time is measured as the number o

REMINDER: Leap Second

2015-01-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
This June 30th, 235959UTC will be followed immediately by 235960UTC. What will /your/ devices do? http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/leap-second-deep-space-and-how-we-keep-time Cheers, -- jra -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.