Peering Track for NANOG 63

2015-01-18 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Everyone: I have been asked to moderate the Peering Track for NANOG 63. Time is short, and I need to fill a couple hours. If you have interesting ideas on how to do it, or better yet, would like to present something yourself, please ping me off-list. See you San Antonio! -- TTFN, patrick

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Matt Palmer
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 08:05:18PM +, Kelly Setzer wrote: > I don't know if you're referring to HSTS. No, HSTS is separate to certificate pinning. Certificate pinning would, in fact, cause Chrome to freak out in the presence of an HTTPS-intercepting proxy, but that's what it's supposed to do.

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Geoffrey Keating
chris writes: > I have been going through something very interesting recently that relates > to this. We have a customer who google is flagging for "abusive" search > behavior. Because google now forces all search traffic to be SSL, it has > made attempting to track down the supposed "bad traffic

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Kelly Setzer
I don't know if you're referring to HSTS. If not, it's worth noting in this thread. As I understand HSTS, session decryption is still possible on sites that send the 'Strict-Transport-Security' header. See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6797 I suspect it's only a matter of time before browsers

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread John R. Levine
I expect your users would fire you when they found you'd blocked access to Google. And they would sue you for gross negligence for decrypting their ssn when access company payroll and cpni data May I suggest that playing Junior Lawyer on nanog rarely turns out well. These filter boxes are ty

RE: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Teleric Team
Honestly, don't do this. Neither option.You can still have some control over SSL access with ordinary domain based filtering getting proxied, via CONNECT method or sorta. You don't need filtering capabilities over full POST/DELETE/UPDATE HTTP methods, and if you believe you need it, you just hav

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread William Waites
On 18 Jan 2015 18:15:09 -, "John Levine" said: > I expect your users would fire you when they found you'd blocked > access to Google. Doesn't goog do certificate pinning anyways, at least in their web browser? pgphGF6ZqCQVo.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Ca By
On Sunday, January 18, 2015, John Levine wrote: > >> So your idea is to block every HTTPS website? > >From my point of view, it is better than violate user privacy & safety. > > > >Sneaky is evil. > > I expect your users would fire you when they found you'd blocked access to > Google. > > And the

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread John Levine
>> So your idea is to block every HTTPS website? >From my point of view, it is better than violate user privacy & safety. > >Sneaky is evil. I expect your users would fire you when they found you'd blocked access to Google. >>> These boxes that violate end to end encryption are a great place for

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Ca By
On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Ammar Zuberi wrote: > So your idea is to block every HTTPS website? > > My idea is to provide secure internet and tell the truth about it. Proxying And mitm SSL/TLS is telling a lie to the end user and exposing them and the proxying organization to a great deal of l

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread William Herrin
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Grant Ridder wrote: > I wanted to see what opinions and thoughts were out there. What software, > appliances, or services are being used to monitor web traffic for > "inappropriate" content on the SSL side of things? personal use? > enterprise enterprise? Hi Gra

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread chris
Hello, I have been going through something very interesting recently that relates to this. We have a customer who google is flagging for "abusive" search behavior. Because google now forces all search traffic to be SSL, it has made attempting to track down the supposed "bad traffic" extremely dif

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread nanog
>From my point of view, it is better than violate user privacy & safety. Sneaky is evil. On 18/01/2015 15:53, Ammar Zuberi wrote: > So your idea is to block every HTTPS website? > > >> On 18 Jan 2015, at 6:48 pm, Ca By wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Grant Ridder wrote: >>> >>> Hi

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Ammar Zuberi
So your idea is to block every HTTPS website? > On 18 Jan 2015, at 6:48 pm, Ca By wrote: > >> On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Grant Ridder wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I wanted to see what opinions and thoughts were out there. What software, >> appliances, or services are being used to moni

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Ca By
On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Grant Ridder wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I wanted to see what opinions and thoughts were out there. What software, > appliances, or services are being used to monitor web traffic for > "inappropriate" content on the SSL side of things? personal use? > enterprise enter

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Andy Brezinsky
We use Fortinet firewalls and SSL (HTTPS, FTPS, IMAPS, POP3S, SMTPS, SSH) inspection is a standard feature. It works by rolling out a custom CA certificate from the device to all of the desktops and whenever you hit a SSL site, a cert signed with the CA is generated and presented to the user.

Re: HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread kendrick eastes
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Grant Ridder wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I wanted to see what opinions and thoughts were out there. What software, > appliances, or services are being used to monitor web traffic for > "inappropriate" content on the SSL side of things? personal use? > enterprise e

HTTPS redirects to HTTP for monitoring

2015-01-18 Thread Grant Ridder
Hi Everyone, I wanted to see what opinions and thoughts were out there. What software, appliances, or services are being used to monitor web traffic for "inappropriate" content on the SSL side of things? personal use? enterprise enterprise? It looks like Websense might do decryption ( http://co