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On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Jim Richardson
wrote:
> I pay for (x) bits/sec up/down. From/to any eyecandysource. If said
> eyecandy origination can't handle the traffic, then I see a slowdown,
> that's life. But if <$IP_PROVIDER> throttles it specifically, rather
> than throttling me to (x)
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 01:38:03PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
> On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> >And continued selling the product as described, long beyond any
> >reasonable doubt their customers expected it to work with Netflix. Right
> >through this very minute and beyond.
>
>
We have the Solid Optics DWDM and CWDM power meters. Simple, inexpensive
and works well ...
http://www.solid-optics.com/category/cwdm-dwdm/power-meter ... n
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Tom Hill wrote:
> On 28/07/14 19:33, Timothy Kaufman wrote:
>
>>
I pay for (x) bits/sec up/down. From/to any eyecandysource. If said
eyecandy origination can't handle the traffic, then I see a slowdown,
that's life. But if <$IP_PROVIDER> throttles it specifically, rather
than throttling me to (x),I consider that fraud.
I didn't pay for (x) bits/sec from some
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> There is nothing new under the sun, no matter how much you may protest
>> otherwise...
>
> This is a self-fulfilling prophecy that reflects the intense conservatism of
> a certain part of the I
On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
There is nothing new under the sun, no matter how much you may protest
otherwise...
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy that reflects the intense
conservatism of a certain part of the Internet establishment. I'm
inclined to go for new services, new n
On 28/07/14 19:33, Timothy Kaufman wrote:
Also maybe the ODPM-48.
I've got the CWDM version of this, and it does the job. Haven't explored
the test result downloading/archiving features (didn't expect them to
work with Linux anyway) but overall it was very helpful for measuring
loss across v
Owen, your mother should have told you that you need to play nice if you
want the other children to play with you.
On 7/28/14, 12:02 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
I don't think it's conflation, Joly, since the essence of NN is for the eyeballs to
On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
And continued selling the product as described, long beyond any
reasonable doubt their customers expected it to work with Netflix.
Right through this very minute and beyond.
It would be amusing to see Netflix just call their bluff. And maybe
donate
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> It's hard to see a revolution when you're in the middle of it. [...], the
> Internet will shift from a tool for
> reading web sites and watching occasional cat videos to a system whose main
> job (from the perspective of traffic) is video s
On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:
>
> http://blog.netflix.com/2014/03/internet-tolls-and-case-for-strong-net.html
>
> " Strong net neutrality additionally prevents ISPs from charging a toll for
> interconn
I don't have much to add to this discussion, but...
Richard Bennett writes:
> I'm also not enthusiastic about relying on government programs
> to upgrade infrastructure to fiber of some random spec, because the
> entry of government into this market suppresses investments by
> independent fiber
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> I don't think it's conflation, Joly, since the essence of NN is for the
> eyeballs to pay for the entire cost of the network and for edge providers to
> use it for free; isn't that what Netflix is asking the FCC to impose under
> the guise
Astroturfing doesn’t require a fake organization, just fraudulent use of an
organization claiming to be grass roots.
I guarantee you that the majority of the communities represented by those
organizations probably don’t even understand the issue. Of those that do, I
suspect that if you polled t
On 7/28/2014 1:25 PM, Mike wrote:
Howdy,
I'm looking for reccomendations for a copper-loop test set that
can effectively troubleshoot SHDSL. I'm looking for more than 'yup, I
got sync' - it would be very helpful to be able to see
noise/interference as well as calculate loop length, check
It's hard to see a revolution when you're in the middle of it. As
consumers transition from watching multicast TV on the networks'
schedule past time-shifting and on to VoD, the traffic demands on the
infrastructure will grow by 25 - 40 times. Similarly, the Internet will
shift from a tool for
I should elaborate the JDSU OCC-56C looks decent.
Also maybe the ODPM-48.
Also any suggestions on basic OSA's?
We have a few spans with both passive and boosted light DWDM.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Kaufman
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2
Howdy,
I'm looking for reccomendations for a copper-loop test set that can
effectively troubleshoot SHDSL. I'm looking for more than 'yup, I got
sync' - it would be very helpful to be able to see noise/interference as
well as calculate loop length, check bridge taps, and any other kind of
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:
Yeah, because when I pay UPS on my corporate account to pick up a
package in California and deliver it to me in Virginia, the guy at the
pickup in California is asking UPS
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Dorian Kim wrote:
>
>
> This most likely won’t happen unless it becomes some sort of an
> international treaty obligation and even then it would end up in courts for
> a long time. Leaving aside data privacy requirements many carriers have,
> most companies guard
On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>> The data set suffers three flaws:
>
> Depending on your point of view, a lot more than three, undoubtedly.
>
>> 1. It is not representative of the actual traffic flows on the Internet.
On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>>> It is not representative of the actual traffic flows on the Internet.
>>
>> Traffic flows on the Internet is a different survey of a different thing.
>
> He didn't mean "TCP Flows", I don't think; he was simply -- as I
> understood him -- ta
I don¹t know that getting a comparison of all these vendors will do
anything for you as each one will have something that tops each other.
What I¹ve always done is put my list together of features that I need to
run my business and see where each one of the vendors sits after that.
You can typicall
- Original Message -
> From: "Bill Woodcock"
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> > The data set suffers three flaws:
>
> Depending on your point of view, a lot more than three, undoubtedly.
>
> > 1. It is not representative of the actual traffic flows on the
> > Inte
On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> The data set suffers three flaws:
Depending on your point of view, a lot more than three, undoubtedly.
> 1. It is not representative of the actual traffic flows on the Internet.
There are an infinite number of things it’s not representative
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
> However, I can say what global prevailing business practice
> is, since I’ve actually surveyed and quantified it:
>
> Each network [..] pays their own way to the IXP of their
> choice that the other party is present at, each network
> receiv
I should elaborate the JDSU OCC-56C looks decent.
Also any suggestions on basic OSA's?
We have a few spans with both passive and boosted light DWDM.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Kaufman
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:13 AM
To: nanog
I have been looking into DWDM light meters.
The JDSU looks good, but I see other brands out there.
Does anyone have some recommendations, things to look out for?
Thanks,
Tim Kaufman
Paul WALL wrote:
route-views will confirm that Netflix peer with a number of access
providers, including the large ones; press releases related to
"OpenConnect" imply that no money is passing hands.
You'll note that, in spite of his wordy replies, never once does
Richard Bennett disclose who is
Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Can you say more about what you've done to "survey and quantify" prevailing
practices?
https://www.pch.net/resources/papers//peering-survey/PCH-Peering-Survey-2011.pdf
We’ll do another one in the run-up to the next OECD
route-views will confirm that Netflix peer with a number of access
providers, including the large ones; press releases related to
"OpenConnect" imply that no money is passing hands.
You'll note that, in spite of his wordy replies, never once does
Richard Bennett disclose who is funding him and AEI
Wait, I'm confused?
Of the ISPs can't handle 5mbps of traffic when a customer wants to watch
TV, why the hell are they selling 100mbps plans!?!
Answer that with something other than "because the ISPs more lucrative
content business is threatened by Netflix"?
Stop trying to hide what this so obvi
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