Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Trent Farrell
Similar but much smaller scale issue that I'm having trying to deliver our content to access networks - small amount of traffic, heavily skewed outbound from our AS but massive amounts of players on these access networks - yet we're forced to pay said access networks to deliver our mutual customers

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Sam Silvester
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > From another list, I think this puts it nicely (for those of you who don't > know Brett, he's been running a small ISP for years http://www.lariat.net/ > ) > > > > Netflix generates huge amounts of wasteful, redundant traffic and

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Jima
On 2014-07-10 19:40, Miles Fidelman wrote: From another list, I think this puts it nicely (for those of you who don't know Brett, he's been running a small ISP for years http://www.lariat.net/) While trying to substantiate Mr. Glass' grievance with Netflix regarding their lack of availabilit

paleolithic inquiry

2014-07-10 Thread Randy Bush
need to put a usr everything modem, yes a modem, using inbound ppp on a freebsd 10 box and a pots line. anyone have the hacks for o modem switch settings and o /etc/ppp/ppp.conf randy

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Matt Palmer
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 09:40:13PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jimmy Hess wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Miles Fidelman > > wrote: > >>Randy Bush wrote: > >[snip] > >>At the ISPs expense, including connectivity to a peering point. Most content > >>providers pay Akamai, Netflix wants

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Randy Bush
> Trying to play both sides of the issue like that in the same > paragraph is just...dizzying. if we filtered or otherwise prevented conjecturbation, jumping to conclusions based on misuse of tools, hyperbole, misinformation, fud, and downright lying, how would we know the list exploder was workin

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Here's a link to a post from VZN's public policy blog, about Netflix. > > Now, just as a matter of principle, I tend to assume that anything VZN > says in public is a self-serving lie based on a poor understanding of the > Real World... but I

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Matthew Petach
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jimmy Hess wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Miles Fidelman >> wrote: >> >>> Randy Bush wrote: >>> >> [snip] >> >>> At the ISPs expense, including connectivity to a peering point. Most >>> content >>> providers pay Akamai, Netfl

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Brian Loveland
In what world is Verizon an XO customer? But I think the whole premise of blaming XO is broken, just because your traceroute shows inbound to Netflix via XO does not mean Netflix is sending bits to you via XO. If you are sitting on AS701, Netflix certainly has many routes with aspath length = 2 (

RE: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Keenan Tims
> A little experimentation validates this: Traffic from my FIOS home router > flows through alter.net and xo.net before hitting netflix. Now alter.net is > now owned by Verizon, but when I run traceroutes, I see all the delays > starting halfway through XO's network -- so why is nobody pointing a

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jimmy Hess wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Randy Bush wrote: [snip] At the ISPs expense, including connectivity to a peering point. Most content providers pay Akamai, Netflix wants ISPs to pay them. Hmmm Netflix own website indicates otherwise. https://www.n

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Matthew Petach
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Randy Bush wrote: > >> And, of course, one might ask why Netflix isn't ... making use of a >>> caching network like Akamai, as many other large traffic sources do >>> on a routine basis. >>> >> they do. netflix rolls their own cache server

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Paul S.
Unless said tf2 server happens to be hosted within UU's own network, I'd imagine the blame would go to whichever party in the transit path refused to upgrade their commitments. On 7/11/2014 午前 10:21, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Randy Bush wrote

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Randy Bush wrote: >>> >>> And, of course, one might ask why Netflix isn't ... making use of a >>> caching network like Akamai, as many other large traffic sources do >>> on a routine basis. >> >> they do. netflix rolls their own cache serve

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Randy Bush wrote: [snip] > At the ISPs expense, including connectivity to a peering point. Most content > providers pay Akamai, Netflix wants ISPs to pay them. Hmmm Netflix own website indicates otherwise. https://www.netflix.com/openco

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Randy Bush wrote: And, of course, one might ask why Netflix isn't ... making use of a caching network like Akamai, as many other large traffic sources do on a routine basis. they do. netflix rolls their own cache servers, installable in any network At the ISPs expense, including connectivit

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Randy Bush
> And, of course, one might ask why Netflix isn't ... making use of a > caching network like Akamai, as many other large traffic sources do > on a routine basis. they do. netflix rolls their own cache servers, installable in any network randy

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jay Ashworth wrote: Here's a link to a post from VZN's public policy blog, about Netflix. Now, just as a matter of principle, I tend to assume that anything VZN says in public is a self-serving lie based on a poor understanding of the Real World... but I did in fact read it. Yup. The money quo

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Joly MacFie
Some good discussion on this at the recent Aspen Institute Net Neutrality panel. http://youtu.be/IEKQmVuqXsg On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Here's a link to a post from VZN's public policy blog, about Netflix. > > Now, just as a matter of principle, I tend to assume th

Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-10 Thread Jay Ashworth
Here's a link to a post from VZN's public policy blog, about Netflix. Now, just as a matter of principle, I tend to assume that anything VZN says in public is a self-serving lie based on a poor understanding of the Real World... but I did in fact read it. Yup. The money quote: One might won

701 contact please?

2014-07-10 Thread Jared Mauch
Can someone from 701 contact me off-list? - Jared

MPLS product offering questions

2014-07-10 Thread Eric A Louie
My company is investigating offering MPLS service in a very limited regional area. We're interested in any input in the following: Pricing strategy Order form Operational considerations Service level agreements If you have something to offer, on or off-list responses are invited. thanks Eric

.ca anycast expansion

2014-07-10 Thread Jacques Latour
Hi all! At .ca, we're currently working on expanding our .ca anycast infrastructure (any.ca-servers.ca) on ASN 55195 - 199.4.144.0/24. For now, we're looking to expand in colocation centers (IXP connected) in the following locations: - NOTA - NAP of the Americas Miami, FL -

Re: Comcast Outages?

2014-07-10 Thread coy . hile
In the Philly area (lower bucks for the locals), we were down most all of Tuesday, but back up sometime between 2300 Tuesday and 0700 Wednesday when I next logged in. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2014, at 8:55, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > In NE Maryland, Comcast has been down for 36hours. No

Re: Comcast Outages?

2014-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
In NE Maryland, Comcast has been down for 36hours. No idea how widespread that is. On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 08:39:29AM -0400, Tom Morris wrote: > I had lightning strikes ditch my fiber connections twice yesterday, but you > can't blame the network on the big angry hammer of Thor. > > At least the

Re: Comcast Outages?

2014-07-10 Thread Tom Morris
I had lightning strikes ditch my fiber connections twice yesterday, but you can't blame the network on the big angry hammer of Thor. At least the poor guy who was directly below where lightning nailed our site was already on the toilet..!! On Jul 10, 2014 3:16 AM, "Kraig Beahn" wrote: > Anyo

Re: Comcast Outages?

2014-07-10 Thread Brandon Ross
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, Kraig Beahn wrote: Anyone in the SE seeing and/or hearing of any massive Comcast outages regionally? (Fiber, Voice & DOCSIS modems from Atlanta, GA to Tallahassee, FL and in some select areas Jacksonville, FL...) Yes, I'm in Atlanta. I lost DOCSIS Internet connectivity l

DHCP Server ACS Parameters on Huawei 5300 and 5600 DSLAM

2014-07-10 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
Hello Everybody, Does any body has experience about running DHCP Server on Huawei DSLAMs? We wanna run TR069 on our network, We need a DHCP server to pass ACS parameters. Like ACS URL, ACS Username and Password. Thanks -- Regards, Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator Ce

Re: Listing or google map of peering exchange

2014-07-10 Thread Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr
Hello, Kindly provided by the Telegeography team : http://www.internetexchangemap.com/ Hope this helps. Y. 2014-07-09 20:34 GMT+02:00 William F. Maton Sotomayor : > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > Looking for a good listing of US/Canada peering exchange, similar to >> Torx

Comcast Outages?

2014-07-10 Thread Kraig Beahn
Anyone in the SE seeing and/or hearing of any massive Comcast outages regionally? (Fiber, Voice & DOCSIS modems from Atlanta, GA to Tallahassee, FL and in some select areas Jacksonville, FL...)