Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/30/2014 11:17 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Mar 30, 2014, at 16:40 , Måns Nilsson wrote: Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition Date: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:06:11AM -0400 Quoting Patrick W. Gilmore (patr...@ianai.net): On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:15, Måns Nilsson w

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 30, 2014, at 16:40 , Måns Nilsson wrote: > Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition Date: Sat, Mar > 29, 2014 at 11:06:11AM -0400 Quoting Patrick W. Gilmore (patr...@ianai.net): >>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:15, Måns Nilsson wrote: >>> Quoting John R. Levine (jo...@iecc.

Re: e-postage still doesn't work, why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread John R. Levine
" Contrary to the commonly held belief that this is fundamentally impossible, we propose several solutions that do achieve a reasonable level of double spending prevention" Yes, that's Bitcoin's claim to fame. Perhaps the number of zeroes doesn't make a difference; but solving the double spend

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM, John R. Levine wrote: > The numbers you list in your argument against a micropayment >> system being able to function are a fraction of the number of >> transactions Facebook deals with in updating newsfeeds for >> the billion+ users on their system.[0] >> > > ..

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Robert Drake
On 3/30/2014 12:11 AM, Barry Shein wrote: I don't know what "WKBI" means and google turns up nothing. I'll guess "Well Known Bad Idea"? Since I said that I found the idea described above uninteresting I wonder what is a "WKBI" from 1997? The idea I rejected? Also, I remember ideas being shot d

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition Date: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:06:11AM -0400 Quoting Patrick W. Gilmore (patr...@ianai.net): > Composed on a virtual keyboard, please forgive typos. > > > On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:15, Måns Nilsson wrote: > > Quoting John R. Levine (jo..

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:05:39 -0700, Matthew Petach said: > system, which does 100,000,000 transactions/day. Facebook's > presentation talks about doing billions *per second*, which if I Fortunately for Facebook, they don't have to worry about double-spending problems, and you don't have to worry

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Barry Shein
On March 29, 2014 at 23:26 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: > > On Mar 29, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Barry Shein wrote: > > > > > On March 29, 2014 at 08:28 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: > >>> So if a spammer or junk mailer could, say, trick you into accepting > >>> mail in those sch

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/30/14, 10:03 AM, Barry Shein wrote: > > The problem is the world is a very sloppy place and tends to function > in spite of proofs that "bumblebees can't fly" etc. when there's a > need. which is fortunately, mythology based on catastrophically bad modeling so your analogy is spot on. > >

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Barry Shein
On March 30, 2014 at 04:47 jo...@iecc.com (John Levine) wrote: > >When people talked of "virtual currency" over the years, often arguing > >that it's too hard a problem, how many described bitcoin with its > >cryptographic mining etc? > > None, but it shouldn't be hard to look at the way bit

Can I borrow some MTA address traces?

2014-03-30 Thread John R. Levine
As noted about a zillion messages ago, one of the concerns about IPv6 mail is whether DNSBLs will be workable, with one of the questions being whether the lookups will blow away DNS caches. As far as I can tell, there is basically no research on DNS cache behavior other than a few very old pap

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread hammani . b
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.   Original Message   From: John Levine Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition >IF the overriding problem is due to an inability to identify and >authe