Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread goemon
cellphones with cameras are probably better for the purposes of covert mass surveillance, especially ones with front facing cameras. far more of them out there, and wireless to boot. suprised everyone gets their panties in a bunch over presumed games console monitoring, what about all your iph

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 06:35:35PM -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: > In the PRISM context, I highly doubt their using Splunk for any kind > of analysis beyond systems and network management. It's not good at > indexing non-texty-things. > What if you need to search for events that were geographical

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Also checkout kibana.org for a rather splunk like experience. Chip Marshall wrote: >On 2013-06-12, Phil Fagan sent: >> Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? > >I've been hearing a lot of good things about logstash these days >too, if you prefer the open source route. > >http:/

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Decent frontend... hmm... grep --color Monies please! Phil Fagan wrote: >And a basic front-end and your in business!! >On Jun 12, 2013 6:15 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > >> >> >> --- eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: >> From: Mike Hale >> >> >> Splunk >> >> It would make sense. It's a friggin'

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
Logstash and Splunk are both wonderful, in my experience. What sets them apart from just a plain grep(1) is that they build an index that points keywords to to logging events (lines). What if you're looking for events related to a specific interface or LSP? Not a problem with a modest log volume,

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM, wrote: > > Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest what happens if you try to turn down an > offer the NSA makes you. :) +1 - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson fergdawgster(at)gmail.com

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:46:27 +0100, Bacon Zombie said: > There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs > which the budget quoted before That's assuming they paid full list price. Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest what happens if you try to turn down an offer the NSA makes you. :

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Chip Marshall
On 2013-06-12, Phil Fagan sent: > Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? I've been hearing a lot of good things about logstash these days too, if you prefer the open source route. http://logstash.net/ -- Chip Marshall http://2bithacker.net/ pgpSopEO5YDs6.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:01 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > --- do...@dougbarton.us wrote: > From: Doug Barton > > On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: >> "cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less" > > Prototypical "useless use of cat" :) >

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
--- do...@dougbarton.us wrote: From: Doug Barton On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > "cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less" Prototypical "useless use of cat" :) - What would you use and what's wrong with co

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: "cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less" Prototypical "useless use of cat" :)

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Phil Fagan
And a basic front-end and your in business!! On Jun 12, 2013 6:15 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > > > --- eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: > From: Mike Hale > > >> Splunk > > It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive > as hell, but awesome. > -

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
--- eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Hale >> Splunk It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive as hell, but awesome. -- So is "tail -f /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3'" or "cat /var/l

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Jeff Kell
On 6/12/2013 7:59 PM, Mike Hale wrote: > It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive > as hell, but awesome. Compare it to most any other SIEM (ArcSight?) and it's a bargain. But still, yeah. Jeff

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Mike Hale
It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive as hell, but awesome. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: > Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote: > >> There is no way they could of p

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Phil Fagan
Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote: > There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs > which the budget quoted before > > On 9 June 2013 18:42, Daniel Rohan wrote: > > Anyone else notice that the

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Bacon Zombie
There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before On 9 June 2013 18:42, Daniel Rohan wrote: > Anyone else notice that the Boundless Informant GUI looks suspiciously like > the Splunk GUI? > > And according to the article, it sounds like it do

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread John Lightfoot
Let's see: Requires "always-on" internet connection Only available with Kinect Includes infrared sensor Manufactured by Microsoft, the first company to sign up for Prism When can I get my Xbox One?? http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/new-kinect-can-track-you-so-well-you-may- not-6C10287970 O

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread John Kristoff
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:52:02 -0400 "Ricky Beam" wrote: > All of the above plus very poorly managed network / network > security. (sadly a Given(tm) for anything ending dot-e-d-u.) That broad sweeping characterization, without any evidence, can be as casually dismissed without evidence. However,

Re: How ISP's in ARIN region create automatic prefix-filters?

2013-06-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-12, at 13:38, Martin T wrote: > as I understand, ARIN whois database does not contain "route" objects, > which are used for example in RIPE region for automatic BGP prefix > filter generation. whois.arin.net:43 is for assignment/allocation information. Does not use RPSL. rr.arin.net

How ISP's in ARIN region create automatic prefix-filters?

2013-06-12 Thread Martin T
Hi, as I understand, ARIN whois database does not contain "route" objects, which are used for example in RIPE region for automatic BGP prefix filter generation. How does this work in ARIN region? I know that at least some ISP's operating in ARIN region use their own whois databases(for example rr.

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
Getting back to the topic. I just saw quite a few of our hosts scanned for this by 192.111.155.106 which doesn't say much on its own as http://dacentec.com/ is a hosting company. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:52:52 -0400, Jimmy Hess wrote: >> >> Who

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Aaron Glenn wrote: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, shawn wilson wrote: >> >> >> Banks and insurance companies supposedly have some interesting actuarial >> data on this. >> > > Do you know of any publicly available sources? > I don't. There's a US entity that

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Nick B
I thought the modern measure was hours and dollars wasted... Err I mean spent. Nick On Jun 12, 2013 5:21 AM, "Joel M Snyder" wrote: > > >> Do you have any actual evidence that a .edu of (say) 2K employees > >> is statistically *measurably* less secure than a .com of 2K employees? > > >We're sorta

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, shawn wilson wrote: > > > Banks and insurance companies supposedly have some interesting actuarial > data on this. > Do you know of any publicly available sources? thanks, aaron

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Rich Kulawiec
I'm going to bypass the academic vs. non-academic security argument because I've worked everywhere, and from a security viewpoint, there is plenty of fail to go around. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 09:37:04PM -0400, Ricky Beam wrote: > I run a default deny > policy... if nothing asked for it, it doesn'

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/12/13, Joel M Snyder wrote: > >But seriously, how do you measure one's security? > In ounces, unless it's a European university, in which case you use > liters. Older systems of measuring security involving mass (pounds and > kilos) have been deprecated, and you should not be using them any

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Joel M Snyder
>> Do you have any actual evidence that a .edu of (say) 2K employees >> is statistically *measurably* less secure than a .com of 2K employees? >We're sorta lookin' at one now. >But seriously, how do you measure one's security? In ounces, unless it's a European university, in which case you use

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On 6/12/13, shawn wilson wrote: >>> The scope is constantly changing. >> Not really. The old tricks are the best tricks. And when a default install > By best, you must mean effective against the greatest number of targets. > By best, I mean e

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/12/13, shawn wilson wrote: > This is basically untrue. I can deal with a good rant as long as there's > some value in it. As it is (I'm sorta sorry) I picked this apart. > On Jun 12, 2013 12:04 AM, "Ricky Beam" wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:55:12 -0400, wrote: >>>>>

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
This is basically untrue. I can deal with a good rant as long as there's some value in it. As it is (I'm sorta sorry) I picked this apart. On Jun 12, 2013 12:04 AM, "Ricky Beam" wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:55:12 -0400, wrote: >> > > But seriously, how do you measure one's security? Banks