Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Jakob Heitz
That's evil. Charge what it costs to provide each service. If and when it costs more to provide IPv4 service (and only then), then charge more for it. I imagine in a few years the tradeoff: IPv6 has less connectivity (IPv4 clients can't reach you), but IPv4 is more expensive (pay for the addres

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

2013-04-28 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 4/29/13, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > Therefore it is inevitable to reclaim unused address space as long as > there's a demand for IPv4, wich will still be strong as long as major > players refuse to do their jobs. The RIRs are very limited in what unused resources they could seek to reclaim; there

Re: 80 km BiDi XFPs

2013-04-28 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Le 03/04/2013 01:15, Frank Bulk a écrit : > BiDi XFPs Why not using a duplex 120km and a circulator[1] ? This could be far more reliable if you avoid PC connectors on the way. You may also mux several DWDM waves using this and a low-loss mux (found <1.5dB for 8 channels). Of course, for such len

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

2013-04-28 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Le 24/04/2013 07:46, Tore Anderson a écrit : > Trying to reclaim and redistribute unused space would be a tremendous > waste of effort. It is necessary to keep an acceptable churn and still allocate small blocks to newcomers, merely to deploy CGNs. Not doing so would end up in courts for entry ba

Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 4/28/13, Owen DeLong wrote: > I don't see turning IPv4 off as a short-term goal for anyone. > OTOH, I do see the cost of maintaining residential IPv4 service escalating > over about the next 5-7 years. Yes... Which I interpret to result in an outcome of less service, for more cost, for resi

Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Owen DeLong
I don't see turning IPv4 off as a short-term goal for anyone. OTOH, I do see the cost of maintaining residential IPv4 service escalating over about the next 5-7 years. Lee Howard sees roughly the same thing. (He has fancier math and better statistics than I used). Bottom line, it is unlikely t

Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 4/28/13, Randy Bush wrote: >> -- for example: large Cable providers getting together and agreeing to >> implement a 100ms RTT latency penalty for IPv4 > we do not see intentionally damaging our customers as a big sales > feature. but we think all our competitors should do so. Yes, I do real

Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Randy Bush
> -- for example: large Cable providers getting together and agreeing to > implement a 100ms RTT latency penalty for IPv4 we do not see intentionally damaging our customers as a big sales feature. but we think all our competitors should do so. randy

Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 4/28/13, Randy Bush wrote: >> Doing away with IPv4 isn't a sane short-term goal for anyone > who wants global internet connectivity/reachability, period. Breaking global connectivity is bad. I don't see networks turning off ipv4. I would favor differentiation of network characteristics --

Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Randy Bush
> Doing away with IPv4 isn't a sane short-term goal for anyone who wants global internet connectivity/reachability, period. folk who advocate disconnecting from ipv4 should lead by example or stfu. either way, it would reduce the drivel level. randy

Re: Op USA - DDoS

2013-04-28 Thread Warren Bailey
The last thing I would think anyone would do is tell a person the job they did last time was sub par. Imagine telling a teenager the pipe bomb they built was just not effective enough. As someone who has been on both sides of the fence, I would give you a small bit of advice.. Don't anger it. An

Re: Op USA - DDoS

2013-04-28 Thread David Walker
>From Wikipedia: Ultimately, #OpIsrael caused virtually no damage and was assessed by the Israeli Government's National Cyber Bureau and by numerous security experts and journalists to have been a failure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIsrael

Re: IPv6 and HTTPS

2013-04-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <05cd8f9b-46dd-4069-9ebe-2c922...@delong.com>, Owen DeLong writes: > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Jima wrote: > > > On 2013-04-26 01:29, Don Gould wrote: > >> I agree with others that there is still way to much XP and other non > >> supporting platforms and I suspect that by the