Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

I say we all start using octal two's complement for extended ASNs. (note to self: don't post to NANOG after a night out with a vendor.) -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > On Saturday, September 17, 2011 04:49:17 AM Tassos > Cha

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

On Saturday, September 17, 2011 04:49:17 AM Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: > btw, am i the only one who finds it easier to remember > asdot formatted ASNs? They're easier to remember, but if you operate an ASN for a reasonable period of time, it's okay to assume that you will remember it, whet

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

On Saturday, September 17, 2011 03:16:01 AM Daniel Roesen wrote: > RFC5396 on as-plain is on track becoming one. Indeed. I suppose it will be interesting to see how the vendors respond to this. Would they retract support for as-dot, as it's been shipping for a while now? Cheers, Mark. sig

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

When we needed an ISP in Yakima back in '95 we found a rich guy in Seattle, got him to hire an old SunOS geek and an illegal Englishman, and a very small space on the 19th floor of the Westin. Then we talked him into putting his first POP in Yakima where he would have immediate paying customers.

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On 17/09/11 7:34 AM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > On 09/16/2011 04:28 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus >> wrote: >> >> I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you >> still have it ? > > Maybe hushmail blocked it? :) That's not outside

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

Does whois have a bug tracker somewhere? That seems to be the place to file these sort of things.

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:53 AM, John Curran wrote: > On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > Randy - >  Over the last decade, we've run multiple consultations with the While I appreciate that ARIN has had community consultations... It needs to be understood that the WHOIS service is a c

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On 9/16/2011 2:43 PM, Michael Painter wrote: hass...@hushmail.com wrote: @ Everyone else: thank you for the useful information. I didn't mean to come off as being bratty with my competition notation, it was meant as a bump to the posting and not an insult at anyone. Oldie but goodie: http:

Re: IPV6 over a PPTP Link

Am 15.09.2011 18:24, schrieb Meftah Tayeb: can i ofer ipv6 addresses through a PPTP connection using cisco ? if yes, how please ? These slides were presented on various conferences showing native v6 via L2TP. While you asked for PPTP, I thought to point to the link anyway, maybe the slides ar

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> 'Dear dedicated server customer, we're taking away your IPs, please don't > be angry with us even though it will cost you untold hours of work to hunt > down all the tiny implications of renumbering. Never mind the lost business > it might cause if you miss something.' > > 'Dear internet access

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> When I still worked in the ISP world, the startup I worked for started off > with > PA space, and then grew into PI space, and handed the PA space back to > their upstreams as it was vacated. I had no problems getting subsequent PI > blocks because our documentation was in order. The documenta

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Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> People have been bleating about routing tables sizes for years and > everything has been fine. You could argue that the bleating has helped > keep the size down of course, perhaps it has. guy walks into a psychiatrist's office waving a newspaper. shrink asks "why are you waving that newspaper?"

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> -Original Message- > From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] > Sent: 16 September 2011 21:38 > To: Randy Carpenter > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group > Subject: Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on > building a nationwide network > > > As an ISP, ARIN wil

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Bush wrote: If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address space, they have no way of determining if your request is justified, beyond whatever pie-in-the-sky guesses and growth projections you give them. why is this not a problem in any other region? I don't have

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. Honestly, I did have an insightful email drafted up for your original post, but the more I thought about it, the more I felt like I w

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

hass...@hushmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus wrote: Wait a sec :) So the info I sent you about RIPE and Germany wasn't useful to you at all? :( I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you still have it ? @ Everyone else: thank you for the useful

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

>> As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to >> already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. I >> think it is really stupid, and encourages wasting IP space, but that is >> what the current policy is. > > If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

On 09/16/2011 04:34 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Carpenter wrote: > > > If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address space, they have no > way of determining if your request is justified, beyond whatever > pie-in-the-sky guesses and growth projections you give them.

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Carpenter wrote: I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4 block of say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I don't know what the current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently give out six months worth of space. Now, in six month

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On 09/16/2011 04:28 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus > wrote: > > I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you > still have it ? Maybe hushmail blocked it? :) > @ Everyone else: thank you for the useful information. I didn't > mean

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus wrote: >Wait a sec :) So the info I sent you about RIPE and Germany wasn't useful to you at all? :( I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you still have it ? @ Everyone else: thank you for the useful information. I didn't mean

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:50:56PM +, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: > > > As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have > > > to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. > > > > does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? > > Y

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> > As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have > > to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. > > does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? Yes. If you want PI space, you have to start off with PA space, utilize it, a

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

Strangely, both the RFC (5396) and the CIDR report appear to be written by the same guy...Geoff. btw, am i the only one who finds it easier to remember asdot formatted ASNs? - Tassos Nick Hilliard wrote on 16/9/2011 23:06: On 16/09/2011 00:51, Schiller, Heather A wrote: I thought AS-plain n

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have > to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? arin claims to be a shining example of industry self-governance. to me, this barrier t

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

On 09/16/2011 03:09 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote: As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. I think it is really stupid, and encourages wasting IP space, but that is what the current policy is. Ah y

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> > > I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4 > block of say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I > don't know what the current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently > give out six months worth of space. Now, in six months, I don't > expect there to be a

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

On 16/09/2011 00:51, Schiller, Heather A wrote: > I thought AS-plain notation was the standard for 4-byte ASN's? Wasn't there an RFC written about this by some australian bloke? I'd say that whoever maintains the CIDR report these days should really take a couple of minutes to clue themselves in

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:58:30PM +, Leigh Porter wrote: > > I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4 block of > say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I don't know what the > current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently give out six months worth o

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

On 09/16/2011 02:58 PM, Leigh Porter wrote: -Original Message- From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] Sent: 16 September 2011 20:47 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Wow this turned into a

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

> -Original Message- > From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] > Sent: 16 September 2011 20:47 > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building > a nationwide network > > > > Wow this turned into a very long post > > On

wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

Wow this turned into a very long post On 09/16/2011 01:10 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: Mr hass...@husmail.com

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Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 02:11:24AM +0800, Mark Tinka wrote: > > I thought AS-plain notation was the standard for 4-byte > > ASN's? > > as-plain is not the "standard" per se. RFC5396 on as-plain is on track becoming one. Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: d...@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:53:03PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:42:18 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said: > > Configure Quagga w/ the obtained ASN and announce the IP prefix(es). > > > TaDa ... You are an ISP! > > Now all you need is a business plan that

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:42:18 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said: > Configure Quagga w/ the obtained ASN and announce the IP prefix(es). > TaDa ... You are an ISP! Now all you need is a business plan that pays for the rack space. ;) pgpKBjfFJNMbn.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants > competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. > > On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > >I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly

Re: Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Steve Bohrer wrote: > Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a > traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems indicate a > packet loss problem that needs to be fixed? something inside the router has to make the ic

Re: Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Steve Bohrer wrote: > My general question is "what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, even > when pings show no problem." > > Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a > traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these syst

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 21:55:01PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers > and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm > going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either > Frankfurt am Main or Berl

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants > competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. > > On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > >I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly

Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

My general question is "what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, even when pings show no problem." Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems indicate a packet loss problem that needs to be fixe

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, mikea wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: >> No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants >> competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. > > It's not safe to ass-u-me that absence of a reply is due to a desire to

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

Based on this email, I would suggest Marketing/PR classes ;) Accounting? On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants > competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. > > On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote:

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants > competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. > > On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: > >I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly

RE: How to begin making my own ISP?

The second thing is that you need to have at least a VAGUE idea what you want to actually offer. A DSL ISP is VASTLY different than a Co-Location ISP. I'd say you need to sit down and take a long hard look at exactly you want to do, *then* figure out what you need to do in order to accomplish it

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

On Friday, September 16, 2011 07:51:04 AM Schiller, Heather A wrote: > I thought AS-plain notation was the standard for 4-byte > ASN's? as-plain is not the "standard" per se. Think of it more as the "preferred" option within the industry. o All major vendors support it, so there's no n

RE: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

-Original Message- From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:36 AM To: Leigh Porter Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ? >One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain the new

RE: How to begin making my own ISP?

I think the question was far too vague. The first thing you need to start an ISP is LOTS OF MONEY. -Original Message- From: hass...@hushmail.com [mailto:hass...@hushmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:10 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How to begin making my own ISP? No

Re: Summary: US Colo transit pricing

Original Message - > From: "Jay Ashworth" > My thanks to the folks who took a moment to contribute; the outcome of my > inquiry was "nah; I guess the price I got quoted really isn't all that bad, > given the quality of the datacenter involved (which is quite nicely done). And the fact t

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: >I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers >and such, but also branching out to residential custome

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

> Saying NANOG = ARIN is like saying Middle East = Terrorist. That kind > of generalization is never useful. ARIN is one of many non-Government > organizations that make decisions regarding the Internet. > > As for your reference to "Obama-style" I'm not sure if you're trying > to pay homage to,

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

Saying NANOG = ARIN is like saying Middle East = Terrorist. That kind of generalization is never useful. ARIN is one of many non-Government organizations that make decisions regarding the Internet. As for your reference to "Obama-style" I'm not sure if you're trying to pay homage to, or insult t

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

>>> One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain >>> the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that >>> suffice? >> how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need >> something new, the folk with skin in the game. so, though i ha

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain >> the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that >> suffice? > > how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need > something new, t

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

> One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain > the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that > suffice? how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need something new, the folk with skin in the game. so, though i have an opini

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

As the new arin whois is best suited for REST .. offer it only over REST? Queries from shell prompts can go on the same way they've gone on for years. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, John Curran wrote: > > One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain > the new hierarch

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > -Original Message- >> From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] >> Sent: 16 September 2011 16:05 >> To: John Curran >> Cc: NANOG list >> Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ? >> >>> If you have a particular

RE: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

> -Original Message- > From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] > Sent: 16 September 2011 16:05 > To: John Curran > Cc: NANOG list > Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ? > > > If you have a particular suggestion for changing whois, please > > feel free to

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

> If you have a particular suggestion for changing whois, please > feel free to submit it. simple. don't. if you want to do something new, don't call it whois. randy

Re: routing issue for verizon dsl customers in western massachusetts

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 20:52 UTC, Christopher Morrow > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Steve Bohrer >> wrote: >>> Traceroutes from Brian's house >>> show that for our blocked hosts, the users don't get beyond Verizon's >>> NAT. >> >> I wasn't aware verizon implemented CGN already...

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > when you have a monopoly, you do not have the slightest instinct to > think of the effects of your actions on others. Randy - Over the last decade, we've run multiple consultations with the community regarding changing Whois. These have

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Re: 6To4 Transition Concideration

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Re: 6To4 Transition Concideration

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Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

* Jon Lewis: > No he's not. He's complaining that sometime in the past few weeks (or > is it months now?) ARIN changed the behavior of their whois server. Ahem, ARIN's WHOIS server has been sending such responses for ages. Maybe the change is that more addresses trigger this behavior, but you co

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

> Someone laying that "restful whois" to rest or at least maintaining > the old whois in parallel would be great. > > Lots and lots of scripts to go spammer hunting using regexps to find > all the netblocks assigned to a spammer had to be rewritten :( when you have a monopoly, you do not have the

Re: routing issue for verizon dsl customers in western massachusetts

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 20:52 UTC, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Steve Bohrer > wrote: >> Traceroutes from Brian's house >> show that for our blocked hosts, the users don't get beyond Verizon's NAT. > > I wasn't aware verizon implemented CGN already... way to be a

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

Someone laying that "restful whois" to rest or at least maintaining the old whois in parallel would be great. Lots and lots of scripts to go spammer hunting using regexps to find all the netblocks assigned to a spammer had to be rewritten :( On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >