On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:36:42 -, Leigh Porter said:
> I'm looking forward to the awful experience of NAT444 promoting IPv6.
In NAT444, no one can hear you scream
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I'm looking forward to the awful experience of NAT444 promoting IPv6.
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Leigh Porter
On 15 Sep 2011, at 00:37, "Mark Gauvin" wrote:
> Nat444 or frontal labotomy hmm let's see at least with the second I
> would still be able to make a living as a micro soft network admin;)
>
> Sent from m
Good grief.
Tell me ANY vendor who has not had this happen?
| QUALIFIER | - A vendor who has been in business at least ten years please.
- Mike DeMan
On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:42 AM, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
>
>
> --
> Martin Hepworth
> Oxford, UK
Nat444 or frontal labotomy hmm let's see at least with the second I
would still be able to make a living as a micro soft network admin;)
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On 2011-09-14, at 6:07 PM, "James Jones" wrote:
> On 9/14/11 2:46 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>> In a message written on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 a
On 9/14/11 2:46 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:24:25AM +1200, Don Gould wrote:
How many of you have sat and thought about the merit of this web site?
Ok, I'll take a swing at your list...
* Does Juniper break promises?
Yes.
* Does Cisco break them?
On 15/09/2011 9:46 a.m., Leo Bicknell wrote:
Now, with that out of the way, how much does everyone else hate even the
thought of NAT444?
Clearly some hate it enough to go to the trouble of making a 'we think
they suck' web site in an attempt to draw readers in a different direction.
Now wi
My apologies; I was just too damned tired to do this last night, by which
time I had gotten my answer: $17 for a 5 way blend based on L3 and GBLX, in
Tampa, isn't really all that bad. (100mbs commit; GigE fiber redundant)
City PipeCommitCarrier(s) $/mbs
==
In a message written on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:24:25AM +1200, Don Gould wrote:
> How many of you have sat and thought about the merit of this web site?
Ok, I'll take a swing at your list...
> * Does Juniper break promises?
Yes.
> * Does Cisco break them?
Yes.
> * What bad things and experien
Well...
Seems to be popping up on global NOG lists today.
When you're already in trouble with the wife you go have a beer with
your mates.
This campaign got all of you to stop talking about NAT444 and focused on
talking about Cisco and Juniper gear.
Hell, if I put my tinfoil hat on, I'd sa
You seem to have accidentally put an 'R' between your E and X ;)
On 9/14/2011 4:05 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Brandon Galbraith
Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're
gear just works.
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--- brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Brandon Galbraith
Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're
gear just works.
---
Unless it's the ERX series. Blech, it puts a bad taste in my mouth just
writing the
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:02 AM, David Israel wrote:
> On 9/14/2011 10:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>>
>>> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
fashion the site has done, they should at least put a conta
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 19:16 +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> And to end this thread as this effectively ends Diginotar troubles for
> the Interwebz:
>
> Dutch official statement:
> http://www.opta.nl/nl/actueel/alle-publicaties/publicatie/?id=3469
Bedankt. Vertaling (my own translation, niet slech
And to end this thread as this effectively ends Diginotar troubles for
the Interwebz:
Dutch official statement:
http://www.opta.nl/nl/actueel/alle-publicaties/publicatie/?id=3469
English Summary "OPTA revokes Diginotar License as TTP":
http://www.circleid.com/posts/opta_revokes_diginotar_license_
The problem that I see with browser response to self-signed (or org generated)
certs is
not the warning(s) but the assertion that the cert is invalid. Not issued by
one of the
players in the Protection Racket does not make the cert invalid. It may be
untrustable,
unreliable, from an unknown and/
On 9/14/2011 10:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form
somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco t
I stand corrected. I willing to admit when I am wrong. So do that only have
100Gb on the carrier routers?
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Paul wrote:
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps5763/CRS-1x100GE_DS.html
> ?
>
> James Jones wrote:
>
>> Funny the
Great, can you actually order one and really have it delivered? Not that you
would really want to I guess, but if you were into that kind of thing..
Point me to it if I am wrong, but I still do not see an MX-series 100G
interface even on the Juniper site..
http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
amazingly professional. not.
but lead contestant for pathetic jealousy post of the year
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps5763/CRS-1x100GE_DS.html ?
James Jones wrote:
>Funny they forget to mention that Cisco doesn't have 100g any where.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:
Well, I'm not surprised at all, being that Cisco also does this to
Alcatel-Lucent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX3zvjX3c5Q
I think Cisco is just running scared now. If they didn't charge so much for
their products, they wouldn't have this problem. In addition, I think they
also thought t
Funny they forget to mention that Cisco doesn't have 100g any where.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Always Learning [mailto:na...@u61.u22.net]
>> Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39
>> To: N. Max Pierson
>> Cc: nanog@n
> -Original Message-
> From: Always Learning [mailto:na...@u61.u22.net]
> Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39
> To: N. Max Pierson
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: ouch..
>
>
> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>
> > Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going t
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:44:10 CDT, "N. Max Pierson" said:
> Define Cisco in your context please. Cisco marketing?? Cisco sales?? Cisco
> TAC? Cisco product development??
Cisco outsourced PR campaign? Wouldn't be the first time a company has hired a
shop, stuck a link to the result on their home pa
:)
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>
>> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
>> fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form
>> somewhere for
Define Cisco in your context please. Cisco marketing?? Cisco sales?? Cisco
TAC? Cisco product development??
I've been told several lies by some Cisco SE's that have worked with me, but
I wouldn't go as far to say "Cisco lies".
-
Max
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> O
> Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
If you believe any vendors out there are white knights (telling no
lies) you may need a reality check.
Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
> fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form
> somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
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With best regards,
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Ted Cooper
wrote:
>
> As claimed by the DigiNotar hacker - He compromised their servers but
> Eddy was manually approving certs at the time and so no certs were signed.
>
> There was information about it on the site, but it seems to be gone now.
> Articles still s
Check out the White Papar referenced
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/pdfs/Why_Cisco_Not_Juniper.pdf
It has Cisco's usual White Paper format and their copyright stamped on the
bottom which is also dates "9/11". If it's not Cisco or one of it's
affiliates, I would expect them to be co
One:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
> look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
> over the site.
Another:
> Does seem odd that Cisco would use Go Daddy. My first thought was a
> disgruntled (ex) Juniper Employee.
Or possibly Cisco is trying to cover their tracks.
Owen
On Sep 14, 2011, at 4:15 AM, Brian Raaen wrote:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
> look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
> over the site.
>
>
>
> whois
On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> On 14/09/2011 11:42, Martin Hepworth wrote:
>> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
>
> Wow, classy.
>
> Nick
Wow... If Cisco slides any further into mudslinging, I'll expect the company to
run
for president.
Owen
-Original Message-
>From: Erik Bais [mailto:eb...@a2b-internet.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:56 AM
>To: 'Frank Habicht'; nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: RE: ouch..
>Personally I think this is a pathetic action from Cisco, however I'm not
>surprised by them doing it ...
>Regards
On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Dan Wing wrote:
>> One can do that with or without NAT. This claim that one cannot
>> keep a network running without a service provider connected if you
>> don't run NAT is a myth of dubious origin.
>
> If the hosts are running DHCP, and the ISP is running the DHCP
On 09/14/2011 07:58 AM, Brian Raaen wrote:
Nice, I didn't see that. Then I guess whoever set up this site was a shill for
Cisco, I just love how instead of focusing on developing better products, that
they are more about marketing now.
---
Brian Raaen
Network Architect
Cisco has always been
Nice, I didn't see that. Then I guess whoever set up this site was a shill for
Cisco, I just love how instead of focusing on developing better products, that
they are more about marketing now.
---
Brian Raaen
Network Architect
Zcorum
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 02:20:56PM +0300, Frank Habicht wrot
Hi Frank,
http://blogs.cisco.com/tag/overpromise/
Quote from the blog: "Some vendors have repeatedly over-promised and under
delivered, and still somehow receive credit for their vision! (You can read
more about one vendor's repeated broken promises here.)"
http://www.overpromisesunderdeliver
Hi list
Does anyone have (or know somebody who has) real-life experience of HP
A-series (former Huawei and H3C) high-end routers in service provider
environment? From the specs they look very good (both features and
performance) but the specs don't tell everything and nothing can
replace real-life
Main cisco page has a link to it...
Frank
On 9/14/2011 2:15 PM, Brian Raaen wrote:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
> look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
> over the site.
>
>
>
> whois overpromisesunderdeli
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 07:15 -0400, Brian Raaen wrote:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip
> do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted
> their logo all over the site.
(1) If Cisco were responsible, would they want to advertise the fact
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
over the site.
whois overpromisesunderdelivers.net
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
On 14/09/2011 11:42, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
Wow, classy.
Nick
On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
Saying the other brand sucks doesn't make yours any better. Besides, there are
other big players on the market. Terribly lame of Cisco...
Vlad Galu
g...@packetdam.com
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
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Martin Hepworth
Oxford, UK
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