Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/14/2011 07:43 PM, Tim Wilde wrote: > On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > > > Yes, they prove that IPv6 is not a viable technology as it currently > stands and we should be working on the next big thing, of course! > IPv42, here I come! :) It certainly is being debated back and fo

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 14, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Tim Wilde wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >> Can someone explain the operational relevance of the never ending v6 >> threads that are the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over and over >> again?

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/14/2011 05:45 PM, Joe Greco wrote: > I don't know, but 50 people had snarfed the picture I posted within > 30 minutes, a few hundred have by now, and it's the weekend. Yes. Exactly. I'll start my more operational focused threads on Monday. Plus Randy started a personal backups thread. I need

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Spamming Tree
All your dads are in the closet.

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Leo Bicknell" > The GS110TP is a 8 port 10/100/1000 w/POE + 2 port SFP switch, no fan: > http://www.netgear.com/business/products/switches/smart-switches/GS110TP.aspx > > Note that it only has a 48w power budget, so it can't do full power > on each port. >

RE: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Alex Rubenstein
> Of course, if he had local AC power available, it would kinda defeat one of > the points of having PoE, which is to be able to put switches where there > isn't a convenient AC drop to begin with. But wait, there is more... Maybe you want your POE devices (like phones) to stay alive during a pow

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Jake Khuon
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 19:07 -0700, Matthew Petach wrote: > Of course, if he had local AC power available, it would kinda defeat one of > the points of having PoE, which is to be able to put switches where there > isn't a convenient AC drop to begin with. ^_^; True. Leo's point of being able to

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-14 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Hi, The CPE we're providing to our customers from Billion (78xxN/NL, 74xxNX etc) and AVM (Fritz!Box 7290 and 7390) that have IPv6 code do have IPv6 stateful firewalls. Our requirement was that, as much as possible that the IPv4 and IPv6 outcome should be similar (with obvious exceptions around

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 13:11 -0700, Leo Bicknell wrote: > >> So, there you go, a way to star 8 8-port switches off a central switch >> with the remote switches needing no power.  This allows UPS'ing the >> central switch only, while knowing they

RE: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Blake T. Pfankuch
I'm with this too, my house is much less complicated than it used to be. I have dual WAN (Comcast Business Class and cheap DLS as a failover), fed into my Cisco 3750 "core" switch. I have a Sonicwall NSA2400 as my primary Gateway from LAN, with a Secondary Gateway of my Cisco UC520 (mostly for

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Paul Graydon
On 8/14/2011 2:43 PM, Tim Wilde wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: Can someone explain the operational relevance of the never ending v6 threads that are the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over and over again? :) Yes, they prove that

IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Tim Wilde
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > Can someone explain the operational relevance of the never ending v6 > threads that are the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over and over > again? :) Yes, they prove that IPv6 is not a viable technology as

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/14/2011 03:49 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: > I hope someone will explain the operational relevance > of this ... Small home compute centers/networks need care and feeding as well. I've learned a lot from this thread. Things like common designs/layouts, cooling, POE switches et

Re: Home computer rooms

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/13/2011 08:26 AM, David Swafford wrote: > I'm borrowing a room at mom's place for this presently :-D, as the 1 > bedroom apartment was a bit too small! I've got a two bedroom apartment currently. Seriously considering a 3 bedroom place. So I can have a dedicated server room/office and a gues

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Joe Greco
> I hope someone will explain the operational relevance > of this ... I don't know, but 50 people had snarfed the picture I posted within 30 minutes, a few hundred have by now, and it's the weekend. Fun. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We cal

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Jake Khuon
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 13:11 -0700, Leo Bicknell wrote: > So, there you go, a way to star 8 8-port switches off a central switch > with the remote switches needing no power. This allows UPS'ing the > central switch only, while knowing they will all stay up. In some cases, that's not always a grea

How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
I hope someone will explain the operational relevance of this ... Sun V100 FreeBSD firewall/border gateway Sun V100 Plan 9 kernel porting test bed Sun V100 OpenBSD build/test/port box Intel 8-core Solaris fileserver and zones host AMDx4Random OS workstation

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 06:08:28PM -0700, Leo Bicknell wrote: > The holy grail I'm searching for now? A GigE switch with POE, > unmanaged is ok, and probably preferred from a price perspective; > but with NO FAN. Based on a private message and some poking around it appears N

RE: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-14 Thread Ryan Finnesey
b/c of coverage issues. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:31 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Verizon Business - LTE? On 08/13/2011 12:54 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > > I was hoping to use LTE for a

RE: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-14 Thread Ryan Finnesey
With the dongle but installed in a cradlepoint with a high gain antenna Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:37 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Verizon Business - LTE? On 08/13/2011 11:52 PM, Ryan Finn

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/13/2011 11:56 PM, Tammy A. Wisdom wrote: Clear is an absolutely horrible ISP. I've heard people say that. I've used them heavily in Los Angeles and Austin for over a year (almost two now actually). Never had a problem. It is quite common for it to go in and out Probably in fringe co

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/13/2011 11:52 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: The two problems I have with Clear is that it does not work well indoors Oh? The dongle you mean? Yes. The dongle is complete garbage. The Motorolla CPE has been top notch. Tried it various places in my apartment (near window, not near window). Ke

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/13/2011 01:09 PM, chris wrote: I'm in princeton, nj and I recently moved into a new place and had no internet for about a week and had my router in client mode grabbing hotspot from my phone and it worked surprisingly well. Of course latency can be a bit jumpy but my speeds overall were bet

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/13/2011 12:54 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: I was hoping to use LTE for a large number of sites we are about to roll out instead of DS1s. But looks like we will go down the TDM route. Why is that? I ran a nationwide network of digital signage systems with about 500 of them being 3g (mix

RE: personal backup

2011-08-14 Thread Alex Rubenstein
> > My home backups are somewhat large and not yet offsite due to their size. > > (~4.7TB). > > We (NAC) run a rather large ZFS thing to sell cheap 'scratch space.' When I say large, I think it surpasses well over 100 TB at this point. So for me, it was easy. At home, my stuff spins on disk (n

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-14 Thread jari . arkko
Leo, > Why? Unless you live in a HUGE house, you can do 10GE over copper to > all rooms. Copper is infinately easier to run and terminate. Because you need optical so that you can run the feed into the backup servers in the EMP protected room? :-) (I have a shelter that had to be added for build

Re: personal backup

2011-08-14 Thread Dorn Hetzel
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > My home backups are somewhat large and not yet offsite due to their size. > (~4.7TB). > > I've considered just subbing to backblaze as it's "cheap" on a single-host > basis, but need something closer to ~5-7TB plus some room for growth (mayb

Re: personal backup

2011-08-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > On Aug 13, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> charles skipped what i see as a highly critical question, personal >> backup. > > I've been wondering this as well. > > My home backups are somewhat large and not yet offsite due to their size.