Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access

2011-01-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 1/29/11 9:30 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > All this out of band management talk is making me think it is an > opportunity for a supper low cost DSL offering. Maybe a good way to get > read of some capacity we have. The key of course is that it not be coupled to the physical plant that the other c

DSL network build out

2011-01-29 Thread Santino Codispoti
I am hoping for some recommendations from the group. We will shortly be building out a new network for offering DSL/ access. We are going to interface with the Covad network within: 111 8th Avenue,New York (5th Floor) 11 Great Oaks Blvd,San Francisco 427 S La Salle, Chicago We are going to try

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, Don Gould wrote: Ok, that's enough for now. I hope this helps and let me know if you need any more assistance. In Sweden, "Bredbandskollen.se" (translates to "Broadband check") rules supreme. It uses two parallell TCP sessions to measure speed, and the whole industry ha

RE: DSL options in NYC for OOB access

2011-01-29 Thread Ryan Finnesey
All this out of band management talk is making me think it is an opportunity for a supper low cost DSL offering. Maybe a good way to get read of some capacity we have. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Andy Ashley [mailto:li...@nexus6.co.za] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:42 PM T

Re: ARIN IRR Authentication (was: Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-29 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:00 PM, John Curran wrote: > Based on the ARIN's IRR authentication thread a couple of weeks ago, there > were suggestions placed into ARIN's ACSP process for changes to ARIN's IRR > system. ARIN has looked at the integration issues involved and has scheduled > an upgrade

Re: Strange L2 failure

2011-01-29 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/29/2011 8:47 PM, ML wrote: I just ran into something like this yesterday. A Belkin router with a MAC of 9444.52dc. was properly learned at the IDF switch but the upstream agg switch/router wouldn't learn it. I even tried to static the MAC into the CAM..router refused. That's what

Re: Strange L2 failure

2011-01-29 Thread ML
On 1/29/2011 4:24 PM, Jack Bates wrote: Has anyone seen issues with IOS where certain MACs fail? 54:52:00 (kvm) fails out an old 10mbit port on a 7206 running 12.2 SRE. I've never seen anything like this. DHCP worked, ARP worked, and arp debugging showed responses for arp to the MAC, however, tc

Re: [arin-announce] ARIN Resource Certification Update

2011-01-29 Thread Owen DeLong
rld adoption rates will rival those of IPv6 and DNSSEC. Can the Internet >> community afford that? >> >> Alex Band >> Product Manager, RIPE NCC >> >> P.S. For those interested in which prefixes and ASs are in the RIPE NCC ROA >> Repository, here is the l

RE: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Frank Bulk
Configure your DNS server so that speedtest.net and every variation to point to the Speedtest that you host... Frank -Original Message- From: Mike [mailto:mike-na...@tiedyenetworks.com] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:01 PM To: NANOG list Subject: help needed - state of california ne

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Don Gould
Morning Mike, The *New Zealand Government* don't use speedtest.net as a benchmark. Our Government uses a consulting company to provide a range of tests that address the issues you're talking about and benchmarks are published each year. http://www.comcom.govt.nz/broadband-reports The user

Re: Found: Who is responsible for no more IP addresses

2011-01-29 Thread Franck Martin
You should do a rap song... IPv6, IPv4, it is all my fault! Internet was just an experiment - Original Message - From: "Joly MacFie" To: "Ben McGinnes" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, 30 January, 2011 6:36:21 AM Subject: Re: Found: Who is responsible for no more IP addresses Thanks f

Re: [arin-announce] ARIN Resource Certification Update

2011-01-29 Thread Paul Vixie
> From: Alex Band > Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:26:55 +0100 > > ... So the question is, if the RIPE NCC would have required everyone > to run their own certification setup using the open source tool-sets > Randy mentions, would there be this much certified address space now? i don't agree that tha

Strange L2 failure

2011-01-29 Thread Jack Bates
Has anyone seen issues with IOS where certain MACs fail? 54:52:00 (kvm) fails out an old 10mbit port on a 7206 running 12.2 SRE. I've never seen anything like this. DHCP worked, ARP worked, and arp debugging showed responses for arp to the MAC, however, tcpdump on the host system showed no uni

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Jeff Richmond wrote: > Mike, nothing is perfect, so let's just start with that. What the FCC has > done to measure this is to partner with Sam Knows and then have friendly DSL > subs for the participating telcos to run modified CPE firmware to test > against the

Re: [arin-announce] ARIN Resource Certification Update

2011-01-29 Thread Arturo Servin
which prefixes and ASs are in the RIPE NCC ROA > Repository, here is the latest output in CSV format: > http://lunimon.com/valid-roas-20110129.csv > > > > On 24 Jan 2011, at 21:33, John Curran wrote: > >> Copy to NANOG for those who aren't on ARIN lists but m

Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access

2011-01-29 Thread Andy Ashley
On 29/01/2011 14:56, Randy McAnally wrote: Have you looked into the cross connect cost for your DSL line? They typically aren't very cheap either. ~Randy Im still waiting for the quote to come back from L3. Figured a copper pair would be cheaper than a fiber, but who knows? Andy. -- This m

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:00:36AM -0800, Mike wrote: > issue, how do we go about getting 'the message' across, how do we go > about engineering something that could be considered statistically > relevant, and most importantly, how do we get this to be accepted by > non-technical legislators

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Michael Painter
Mike wrote: The rub is, that they want to legislate that web based 'speedtest.com' is the ONLY and MOST AUTHORITATIVE metric that trumps all other considerations and that the provider is %100 at fault and responsible for making fraudulent claims if speedtest.com doesn't agree. speedtest.net?

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Roy
On 1/29/2011 10:00 AM, Mike wrote: Hello, My company is small clec / broadband provider serving rural communities in northern California, and we are the recipient of a small grant from the state thru our public utilities commission. We went out to 'middle of nowhere' and deployed adsl2+ i

RE: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
> We've learned to pick our fights, and this isn't one of them. > > -- > Dan White The most effective mechanism I've seen for explaining the problem is latency and VOIP. Set up an artificially latency-ridden, high bandwidth connection, then connect to a PBX using a softphone. One call is gene

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Patrick W . Gilmore
I think the big deal here is the "100%" thing. If Speedtest is one of many tests, then I don't particularly see the problem. It shouldn't be any more difficult to convince politicians that any system (testing or otherwise) can have problems than it is to convince them of any other hard fact.

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Jeff Richmond
Mike, nothing is perfect, so let's just start with that. What the FCC has done to measure this is to partner with Sam Knows and then have friendly DSL subs for the participating telcos to run modified CPE firmware to test against their servers. We have been collecting data for this for the past

Re: help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Dan White
On 29/01/11 10:00 -0800, Mike wrote: The rub is, that they want to legislate that web based 'speedtest.com' is the ONLY and MOST AUTHORITATIVE metric that trumps all other considerations and that the provider is %100 at fault and responsible for making fraudulent claims if speedtest.com doesn'

help needed - state of california needs a benchmark

2011-01-29 Thread Mike
Hello, My company is small clec / broadband provider serving rural communities in northern California, and we are the recipient of a small grant from the state thru our public utilities commission. We went out to 'middle of nowhere' and deployed adsl2+ in fact (chalk one up for the good guys

Re: Found: Who is responsible for no more IP addresses

2011-01-29 Thread Joly MacFie
Thanks for the link to the vid. I see Geoff Huston spoke too. I've embedded both on http://www.isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=1713 FWIW Vint has been using this as an intro to IPv6 for years.. in fact I've got some video to edit of him speaking in 1999 - I'll look for it.. j On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:43 AM,

Re: [menog] Fwd: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-29 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
Here is the analysis of BGP table regarding what happened to the Internet in Egypt: http://stat.ripe.net/egypt/ https://labs.ripe.net/Members/akvadrako/live_eqyptian_internet_incident_analysis Cidr report (http://www.cidr-report.org) shows this also very well: Recent Table History

Re: Need provider suggestions - BGP transit over GRE tunnel

2011-01-29 Thread C. Jon Larsen
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, Franck Martin wrote: Just make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot by telling the best route to the end of the tunnel is via the tunnel itself... Right, nail up a /32 static route for the remote gre tunnel endpoint on each side. That /32 is nailed up to the next h

Re: [arin-announce] ARIN Resource Certification Update

2011-01-29 Thread John Curran
On Jan 29, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Alex Band wrote: > John, > > Thanks for the update. With regards to offering a hosted solution, as you > know that is the only thing the RIPE NCC currently offers. We're developing > support for the up/down protocol as I write this. Alex - Yes, congrats on rolling

Re: Need provider suggestions - BGP transit over GRE tunnel

2011-01-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 00:49:34 +1300, Franck Martin said: > Just make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot by telling the best route > to the end of the tunnel is via the tunnel itself... Did you mean routing *your* end of the tunnel to the tunnel itself, or announcing to the entire world that

Re: [arin-announce] ARIN Resource Certification Update

2011-01-29 Thread Alex Band
ASs are in the RIPE NCC ROA Repository, here is the latest output in CSV format: http://lunimon.com/valid-roas-20110129.csv On 24 Jan 2011, at 21:33, John Curran wrote: > Copy to NANOG for those who aren't on ARIN lists but may be interested in > this info. > FYI. > /J

Re: Bogons

2011-01-29 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:35:43PM -0800, Jacob Broussard wrote: >> Static bogons are the bane of my existence... The pain of trying to explain >> to someone for MONTHS that they haven't updated their reference, with >> traceroutes to back it up

Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access

2011-01-29 Thread Randy McAnally
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:35:01 +, Andy Ashley wrote > if you want the name). Also suggested to me was doing a swap with > another provider in the facility but it seems as if cross connects > may be prohibitively expensive between suites/floors there. Im going > to wait for pricing on this and

Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access

2011-01-29 Thread Andy Ashley
On 29/01/2011 00:16, Bill Stewart wrote: How much bandwidth do you need? Is a dialup modem fast enough? Hi, Not much at all. Just enough for a telnet/ssh session. A dialup modem would likely do the trick, but that raises other issues about dialing up from the UK based NOC, so I think DSL wil

Re: [menog] Fwd: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-29 Thread Vesna Manojlovic
Dear all, On 1/28/11 1:07 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: Hey all, Some NANOG participants are seeing hearing reports of disrupted communications in Egypt. Are any of you seeing the same thing? --Richard Here is the analysis of BGP table regarding what happened to the Internet in Egypt: http://s

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-29 Thread George B.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > The IPv6 geo databases actually tend to be about on par with the IPv4 > ones from what I have seen so far (which is admittedly limited as I don't > really use geolocation services). However, I still think it is important > for > people conside

Re: Need provider suggestions - BGP transit over GRE tunnel

2011-01-29 Thread Franck Martin
Just make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot by telling the best route to the end of the tunnel is via the tunnel itself... I use it too: http://www.avonsys.com/blogpost367 but because I have no other choice. - Original Message - From: "Robert Johnson" To: "C. Jon Larsen" , nano

Fwd: [listname] Fwd: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-29 Thread Owen DeLong
Anonymized because I am forwarding without permission... > > Dears, > > As per what I know from friends: > > 1. All Internet is down. Apparently one network is still working but seems to > be serving the stock exchange only and few others. > 2. SMS is down. > 3. Landlines are down (at least in