Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > So why hasn't this happened already? If it's so easy, then all the > normal actors that like to cause us late nights would have struck already. As most of us in the net ops community know, there are many vulnerabilities that are very much

Re: AltDB?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 10:47 PM, John Curran wrote: > Jeff - ARIN does indeed have folks who worry about whether the policy > development process is being followed.  We also have folks who actually > implement the policy and issue number resources. And we all agree that this is ARIN's primary rol

Re: Problems with removing NAT from a network

On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Leen Besselink wrote: > On 01/09/2011 07:46 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: >> On 1/8/2011 3:16 AM, Leen Besselink wrote: >>> >>> Hello Mr. Kaufman, >>> >>> In the upcoming years, we will have no IPv6 in some places and badly >>> performing IPv4 (CGN, etc.) with working I

Re: Problems with removing NAT from a network

On Jan 8, 2011, at 10:46 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > On 1/8/2011 3:16 AM, Leen Besselink wrote: >> >> Hello Mr. Kaufman, >> >> In the upcoming years, we will have no IPv6 in some places and badly >> performing IPv4 (CGN, etc.) with working IPv6 in others. > Right. So we're discussing just how

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

> I had a vague concept of IRR before this thread, and have researched > them as a result of it. They seem quite useful. I didn't know anything > about RPKI before this thread. I'm looking into that now. > > So I don't think ARIN should spend it's limited resources on anything to > do with it's cop

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2011 03:48 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? I think so. In theory it seems useful. In practice... http://www.renesys.com/blog/2009/05/keeping-score.shtml not so much. 2

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2011 03:41 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? >>> 2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? >> > > I am simply s

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 9, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > > Why should an operational security issue with the ARIN IRR be handled > as a policy issue? Operational security matters should simply be fixed; that's not a policy matter but an implementation issue. > Do you know that I have emailed ARIN abou

Re: AltDB?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:33 PM, John Curran wrote: > My reason for responding is simply to make sure that ARIN is doing > what the community wants.  I won't deny that this may take some time > depending on exactly what is involved, but in my mind that is far > better than not fixing the situation.

Re: Problems with removing NAT from a network

On 01/09/2011 07:46 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > On 1/8/2011 3:16 AM, Leen Besselink wrote: >> >> Hello Mr. Kaufman, >> >> In the upcoming years, we will have no IPv6 in some places and badly >> performing IPv4 (CGN, etc.) with working IPv6 in others. > Right. So we're discussing just how "badly pe

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 9, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > > John, > > I appreciate you taking time to respond to this while on vacation. > However, I think we all know that your response is not a "here is how > you tell us what to do," it's a "here is our cop-out response to make > an incredibly simple f

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > jeff, i do not disagree that running an irr instance with only mail-from > is s 1980s.  and, as mans points out, there is free software out > there to do it (i recommend irrd).  but i do not see good cause for arin > to spend anything non-tri

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

>>>   Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? >>>           2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? >> >> the irr is slightly useful today.  so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin >> providing an open and free instance is a public good.  again, iff it is >> easy and che

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>   Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? >>           2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? > > the irr is slightly useful today.  so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin > providing an open and free instance is a

Re: AltDB?

Subject: Re: AltDB? Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 06:09:13PM + Quoting John Curran (jcur...@arin.net): > On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:09 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > Please suggest your preferred means of IRR authentication to the ARIN > suggestion process:

Re: AltDB?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:09 PM, John Curran wrote: >  Please suggest your preferred means of IRR authentication to the ARIN >  suggestion process: >  Alternatively, point to a best practice document from the operator >  community for what should b

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arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:11 AM, David Conrad wrote: > Another view is that ARIN's whole and sole reason for being is to provide > services to the network operators in the ARIN region. As such, it would be > ill-advised for ARIN to change those services without consulting the > community that ARIN s

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

> Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? > 2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? the irr is slightly useful today. so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin providing an open and free instance is a public good. again, iff it is easy and cheap. and please

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: >> Should IRR services be part of the ARIN mission? > > If that's a serious question, why does rr.arin.net exist at all? Jon - Existence of not in and of itself proof that the services are presently desired by the community, nor that there are b

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, John Curran wrote: Should IRR services be part of the ARIN mission? If that's a serious question, why does rr.arin.net exist at all? -- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer

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Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > I would like to note that RADB had route6: support in about 2004 or > so, if my memory serves me; while the ARIN database did not accept > route6 objects until about a year ago. So it is not exactly a high > priority for ARIN. The priority of IR

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:09 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > In terms of database size, excluding RIPE, the ARIN IRR is the 8th > largest, ahead of ALTDB and about 10% as large as Level3, the second > largest IRR database (except RIPE.) A mass-corruption of the ARIN IRR > overnight might be a serious incide

Re: Problems with removing NAT from a network

On 1/8/11 3:22 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Maybe HE would volunteer to host some Skype servers at their various POPS > for this purpose. skype has the the ability to deploy supernodes on demand using their own capacity. they've demonstrated that in the face of congestive collapse, buying ipv6 transit

RE: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

> On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: > > I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current Operational > Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and document BCOPs. > > While I think BCOPs (and BCOP BoFs) are a great idea, I guess the questi

Re: Problems with removing NAT from a network

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > On 1/8/2011 3:22 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: >> >> Relay nodes are always protecting themselves by rate-limiting, aren't >> they? > > Yes. >> >> And isn't most media traffic relayed? > > No, not at all. Almost all media traffic goes directly end-