Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/26/10 10:04 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Dec 26, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: >> [Frank Bulk] >> Some MSOs (including ourselves) have power systems (e.g. Alpha) in place >> throughout the plant to provide backup power for at least some time. >> > > Does that back up the

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 26, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:11 PM >> To: Jared Mauch >> Cc: NANOG >> Subject: Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion >> >> On Dec 26, 2010, at

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michael DeMan said: > On Dec 26, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > The AT&T (formerly BellSouth) cabinets around here mostly have natural > > gas generators included, so they almost never go out. The cable > > companies, on the other hand, might have enough battery to las

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Michael DeMan
On Dec 26, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > The AT&T (formerly BellSouth) cabinets around here mostly have natural > gas generators included, so they almost never go out. The cable > companies, on the other hand, might have enough battery to last through > a brownout. Interesting - out of

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Don Gould
This thread is really interesting to see what's happening in .us with power. I've been following what's going on in .au with their ftth project (doing the whole country and pulling out the legacy copper systems, both tp and hfc) and there's been a bit of talk about issues in power cuts. I'm i

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jared Mauch said: > You are likely already at the mercy of some local hut for your > dialtone. Very few things home run to the co these days. It's unlikely > any hut has more than 24 hours of battery. The AT&T (formerly BellSouth) cabinets around here mostly have natural gas ge

RE: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
> -Original Message- > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:11 PM > To: Jared Mauch > Cc: NANOG > Subject: Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion > > On Dec 26, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > > You are likely already at the mercy o

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 26, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > You are likely already at the mercy of some local hut for your dialtone. Very > few things home run to the co these days. It's unlikely any hut has more than > 24 hours of battery. > I know this is true where FTTN overlays have been built. How

RE: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread George Bonser
> From: Jared Mauch > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 4:37 PM > To: George Bonser > Cc: Nathan Eisenberg; NANOG > Subject: Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion > > You are likely already at the mercy of some local hut for your > dialtone. Very few things home run to the co these days.

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 12/26/10 4:37 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > You are likely already at the mercy of some local hut for your dialtone. Very > few things home run to the co these days. It's unlikely any hut has more than > 24 hours of battery. > > I have talked to local techs that make the same trip each shift to f

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread Jared Mauch
You are likely already at the mercy of some local hut for your dialtone. Very few things home run to the co these days. It's unlikely any hut has more than 24 hours of battery. I have talked to local techs that make the same trip each shift to fuel the generator during regular or minor power o

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-26 Thread todd glassey
On 12/24/2010 1:39 AM, William Allen Simpson wrote: On 12/23/10 12:27 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: I was poking around to see what the current received wisdom was as to average install cost per building for suburban municipal home-run fiber, and ran across this article, which discusses the topic, and

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jay Ashworth: > - Original Message - >> From: "Matt Larson" > >> The new KSK will not be published in an authenticated manner outside >> DNS (e.g., on an SSL-protected web page). Rather, the intended >> mechanism for trusting the new KSK is via the signed root zone: DS >> records corres

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-26 Thread Matt Larson
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > From: "Matt Larson" > > > The new KSK will not be published in an authenticated manner outside > > DNS (e.g., on an SSL-protected web page). Rather, the intended > > mechanism for trusting the new KSK is via the signed root zone: DS > > records corresp

RE: Good MPLS/VPLS book?

2010-12-26 Thread Brandon Kim
Decisions decisions, I do have other MPLS books I have not finished. I suppose I can finish them before picking this up and then getting the 3rd edition.might be good timing. Good thing I didn't order the 2nd edition the other day! > Subject: Re: Good MPLS/VPLS book? > From: franc...@m

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