Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:58:26PM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: >> >> I dream of a day where we have municipal fiber to the home, leased to >> any ISP who wants to show up at the local central office for a dollar >> a two a month so th

Re: blackhole-1.iana.org and blackhole-1.iana.org servers are down?

2010-12-19 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2010-12-20 08:36, "Oleg A. Arkhangelsky" wrote: > Hello, > > It seems that 192.175.48.6 and 192.175.48.42 not replying to RFC1918 > addresses DNS-reverse lookups. > > Does anybody noticed this? As those addresses are generally hosted by AS112 instances (see http://www.as112.net) it depends to

Re: blackhole-1.iana.org and blackhole-1.iana.org servers are down?

2010-12-19 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <132161292830...@web62.yandex.ru>, "\"Oleg A. Arkhangelsky\"" writes : > Hello, > > It seems that 192.175.48.6 and 192.175.48.42 not replying to RFC1918 > addresses DNS-reverse lookups. > > Does anybody noticed this? These machines are anycast and run by multiple operators. You will

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
> http://pinkbunnyears.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/telephone-pole.jpg true beauty that only a perl code maintainer could fully appreciate

blackhole-1.iana.org and blackhole-1.iana.org servers are down?

2010-12-19 Thread "Oleg A. Arkhangelsky"
Hello, It seems that 192.175.48.6 and 192.175.48.42 not replying to RFC1918 addresses DNS-reverse lookups. Does anybody noticed this? -- wbr, Oleg.

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
> > >> There were streets where you couldn't hardly see the sky because of > all > >> the wires on the poles. > > Can you provide a link to a photo of this situation? > > come to tokyo. or hcmc. or ... it's an art form. C 1925 when each subscriber (or party line) had their own pair: http://w

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
>> There were streets where you couldn't hardly see the sky because of all >> the wires on the poles. > Can you provide a link to a photo of this situation? come to tokyo. or hcmc. or ... it's an art form.

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
> Yes... This is where the "market makes it best" philosophy fails. When > the > market has become entrenched in one way of doing things, a better way > can face serious opposition because of this very fact. The problem is that we don't *have* a market in many places. We have a monopoly provider

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
> > > You can send letters just as well as packages via the other carriers. > > The "USPS monopoly" on first class mail is absurd. In fact, FedEx, UPS, > et. al could offer a $0.44 letter product if they wanted to. There are certain legalities involved with first class mail that is not the same w

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 8:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: You can send letters Technically, this is illegal. You can send "documents" via FedEx and UPS. just as well as packages via the other carriers. The "USPS monopoly" on first class mail is absurd. In fact, FedEx, UPS, et. al could offer a $0.44 letter

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 8:31 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, JC Dill said: Why not open up the market for telco wiring and just see what happens? There might be 5 or perhaps even 10 players who try to enter the market, but there won't be 50 - it simply won't make financial sense for additional p

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 6:25 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 06:12:02PM -0800, JC Dill wrote: And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? If they think they can make money after the cost of th

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:58:26PM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: >> >> I dream of a day where we have municipal fiber to the home, leased to >> any ISP who wants to show up at the local central office for a dollar >> a two a month so the

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: > On 19/12/10 5:48 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: >>> The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame >>> government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compet

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, George Bonser wrote: >> Personally I think the right answer is to enforce a legal separation >> between the layer 1 and layer 3 infrastructure providers, and require >> that the layer 1 network provide non-discriminatory access to any >> company who wishes to provide

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Mike
On 12/19/2010 06:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? If they think they can make money after the cost of the infrastructure, then they may be onto something. We don't have to w

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
> > I believe that 'competition' in the last mile is a red herring that > simply maintains the status quo (which for many broadband consumers is > woefully inadequate). I agree with you that the USA has too many > lobbyists to ever put such a proposal in place, the telecoms in a large > number of

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, JC Dill said: > Why not open up the > market for telco wiring and just see what happens? There might be 5 or > perhaps even 10 players who try to enter the market, but there won't be > 50 - it simply won't make financial sense for additional players to try > to enter the mar

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Jeffrey S. Young
one of the most interesting things about coming to Australia (after working in the USA telecom industry for 20 years) was the opportunity to see such a proposal (the NBN) put into practice. who knows if the NBN will be quite what everyone hopes, but the premise is sound, the last mile is a natu

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 12/19/10 6:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: > On 19/12/10 5:48 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: >>> The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame >>> government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a >>

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 06:12:02PM -0800, JC Dill wrote: > > And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the > incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? If they > think they can make money after the cost of the infrastructure, then > they may be onto

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:58:26PM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > I dream of a day where we have municipal fiber to the home, leased to > any ISP who wants to show up at the local central office for a dollar > a two a month so there can be true competition in end-user services. Take a second an

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread David Conrad
On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: > And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the > incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? Because they'd have to dig up the streets, people's yards, etc. to do it. There really are some natural monopolie

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
> Personally I think the right answer is to enforce a legal separation > between the layer 1 and layer 3 infrastructure providers, and require > that the layer 1 network provide non-discriminatory access to any > company who wishes to provide IP to the end user. SE

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 5:48 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a level playing field, not by allowing one company

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: > The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame government > regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a level playing > field, not by allowing one company to buy a monopoly enforce

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
> Personally I think the right answer is to enforce a legal separation > between the layer 1 and layer 3 infrastructure providers, and require > that the layer 1 network provide non-discriminatory access to any > company who wishes to provide IP to the end user. But that would take a > lot of work

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: > > The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame > government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a > level playing field, not by allowing one company to buy a monopoly > enforced by men with

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
> Google finds some: > > http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=7364 > > "The Franchise Agreement requires AT&T to pay the City $0.88 per > residential subscriber per month to maintain and enhance PEG access > services provided by MPAC. AT&T has chosen to pass this $0.

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread John Curran
On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: > fred, and others with (misspent) wsis++ / ig++ travel nickles, > > it would _really_ help me if you provided more context, off-line if > necessary, as i spent the week before last more involved with the gac than at > any prior point in

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Bryan Fields
On 12/19/2010 20:09, Leo Bicknell wrote: > They have been granted a monopoly by the local government for > wireline services, and in exchange for that monopoly need to act > in the public's interest. In the TV world this is things like > running the local community interest channel, and paying a f

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Well, if you have followed the news, it comes down to the fact that >> some of our old friends from WSIS/WGIG/IGF+ICANN/GAC "we're the >> government and we like the idea of being in charge" friends are at it >> again. In one corner, Brazil, China,

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:16:27PM -0500, William Allen Simpson wrote: > That would be against the law in Michigan. And I've never heard of any > cable company revealing its profits on a per municipality basis Google finds some: http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/civica/file

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
fred, and others with (misspent) wsis++ / ig++ travel nickles, it would _really_ help me if you provided more context, off-line if necessary, as i spent the week before last more involved with the gac than at any prior point in my decade of icann involvement. i don't mind the 'tude, as we all

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Phil Bedard
The franchise fees in many markets are based on gross revenue. 5% is a fairly standard percentage charged by municipalities to cable companies for right of way access, etc. Not sure if I would call this a profit sharing plan, but it's not too much of a stretch. Today with local agreements somewha

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
> Well, if you have followed the news, it comes down to the fact that > some of our old friends from WSIS/WGIG/IGF+ICANN/GAC "we're the > government and we like the idea of being in charge" friends are at it > again. In one corner, Brazil, China, South Africa, and Saudi Arabia; > in the other, US,

DWDM on a single strand

2010-12-19 Thread MKS
Hi there I was wondering about DWDM equipment on a single strand fiber. What are the capabilities of a "mainstream" DWDM equipment operating on a single strand of fiber on terms of number of channels and reach? By mainstream I mean equipment somewhere in the middle of the price range for DWDM, lik

RE: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
Thanks for your note and the many others. I think it could have been stated more clearly that wikileaks.info, while in a bad neighborhood, and set up to suggest it is Wikileaks or part of the Wikileaks organization, does not (at this time) host or facilitate distribution of malware. The Spamhaus

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 12/17/10 12:08 PM, Dave Temkin wrote: George Bonser wrote: The municipality charges the cable company per HBO subscriber? The municipality gets a cut of that in a profit sharing agreement. The point was, everyone gets their tax or toll along the way. Dave, perhaps you would be kind enou

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread foks
On 12/19/2010 08:33 PM, Ned Moran wrote: > additional evidence > > http://www.malwaredomainlist.com/mdl.php?search=41947&colsearch=All&quantity=50&inactive=on > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:46:33PM -0600, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: >>>

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > On 12/18/2010 9:52 PM, Joseph Prasad wrote: >> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/242051,un-mulls-internet-regulation-options.aspx > > > Given the season, their efforts appear to be a form of mulled whine. Well, if you have followed the news,

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-19 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 12/18/10 7:27 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: From: "Robert E. Seastrom" ... I can see a future where you buy internet from the cable co and they give you the basic cable TV channel lineup at "no charge" but in reality, you're paying for the cable internet what you used to pay for both cable intern

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 12/18/2010 9:52 PM, Joseph Prasad wrote: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/242051,un-mulls-internet-regulation-options.aspx Given the season, their efforts appear to be a form of mulled whine. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Simon Waters wrote: > On 19/12/10 18:51, Paul Ferguson wrote: >> Not for nothing, but Spamhaus wasn't the only organization to warn about >> Heihachi: >> >> http://blog.trendmicro.com/wikileaks-in-a-dangerous-interne

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Simon Waters
On 19/12/10 18:51, Paul Ferguson wrote: > Not for nothing, but Spamhaus wasn't the only organization to warn about > Heihachi: > > http://blog.trendmicro.com/wikileaks-in-a-dangerous-internet-neighborhood/ All the domains listed by Trend Micro as neighbours appear to be down. Have to say as someo

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Ned Moran
additional evidence http://www.malwaredomainlist.com/mdl.php?search=41947&colsearch=All&quantity=50&inactive=on On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:46:33PM -0600, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: > > While I tend to trust Steve and Spamhaus because of

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:46:33PM -0600, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: > While I tend to trust Steve and Spamhaus because of their built up > reputation, it would be helpful if some concrete facts were published about > the "more than 40 criminal-run sites operating on the same IP address as > wik

Re: Mastercard problems

2010-12-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/9/10 8:11 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > By the way, I was amused that a Twitter spokesman boasted that > > "The company is not overly concerned about hackers’ attacking > Twitter’s site, he said, explaining that it faces security issues all > the time and has technology to deal with the situ

Re: TCP congestion control and large router buffers

2010-12-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/9/10 7:20 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Vasil Kolev wrote: > >> I wonder why this hasn't made the rounds here. From what I see, a >> change in this part (e.g. lower buffers in customer routers, or a >> change (yet another) to the congestion control algorithms) would do

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Dec 19, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Joe Greco wrote: >> On 12/18/2010 5:15 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>> >>> I get nothing from wikileaks.org, although the DNS is active : >>> >> >> $ host wikileaks.org >> wikileaks.org has address 64.64.12.170 > > Doesn't it seem vaguely suspicious that whois was

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not for nothing, but Spamhaus wasn't the only organization to warn about Heihachi: http://blog.trendmicro.com/wikileaks-in-a-dangerous-internet-neighborhood/ FYI, - - ferg On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: > The wiki

RE: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
The wikileaks.info press release points to Google's Safe Browsing page for wikileaks.info (http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=wikileaks.info), which comes up clean. While I tend to trust Steve and Spamhaus because of their built up reputation, it would be helpful if some concrete f

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Joe Greco
> On 12/18/2010 5:15 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > > > I get nothing from wikileaks.org, although the DNS is active : > > > > $ host wikileaks.org > wikileaks.org has address 64.64.12.170 Doesn't it seem vaguely suspicious that whois was just updated? Domain ID:D130035267-LROR Domain Name:WIKI

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
This hat is sufficiently old enough to predate wikileaks by several years. And it is way too nuanced to be easily dismissed by code is law truisms like the one below. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Joseph Prasad wrote: > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/242051,un-mulls-internet-regulation-options