RE: AS11296 -- Hijacked? (ARIN region & hijacking)

2010-10-02 Thread George Bonser
> > This is *your* (the collective "your") WHOIS database, and ARIN will > administer > it per any policy which adopted by the community. > > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > ARIN > > P.S. I will note that we fully have the potential to recreate this > problem > in IPv6 if we'

Re: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread Patrick Stueck
I still have a few Cisco 2600 Series routers in service from 9 years ago. Some of those here soon are being replaced with the 2800/3800 series integrated service routers. These routers don't handle a lot as far as traffic, so even the 2600 series routers are still performing the tasks at hand ver

Re: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Franck Martin wrote: How long do you keep a router in production? What is your cycle for replacement of equipment? For a PC, you usually depreciate it over 3 years, and can make it last 5 years, but then you are stretching the functionality, especially if you upgrade the

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked? (ARIN region & hijacking)

2010-10-02 Thread John Curran
On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:59 PM, James Hess wrote: > So, I wonder why only ARIN itself is singled out.. Have other RIRs > found something much better to do with fraud reports? This matters, > because scammers can concentrate on whichever IP blocks are easiest to hijack. The reason: approximately 1

RE: AS14202 - 'jacked routes... Whoa! This is just getting silly now!

2010-10-02 Thread George Bonser
- > P.S. If ARIN actually does want to clean up and reclaim old abandoned > blocks... well... it would appear that some nice helpful fellow has > already catefully surveyed both 204/8 and 205/8 for such things, on > their behalf. See below. > > > AS14202: > So a supposed Columbian ISP has its

RE: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Franck Martin > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:23 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: router lifetime > > How long do you keep a router in production? It depends on its purpose in the network, the change in requirements for that purpose over time, and

Re: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread jim deleskie
If you can do a business case to support replacing routers every 3years you doing much better then most. IMO a router should last 5 yrs on the book, but I expect to get more life then then from it. You core today is tomorrow's edge. I've seen more then one network with 10 yo kit still being used

RE: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread Brandon Kim
Well a lot of routers even 3 years ago support IPv6. You can dual-stack pretty much any router today if you have the right IOS. But I do understand your concern, if you want to future proof your purchase, I'd think any modern router today with a good support contract will take care of you for qu

Re: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread Franck Martin
I'm looking at various scenario, but basically it is looking at IPv6 in fact. It seems to me, that using a router/network appliance today for IPv6 will need to be replaced in 3 years or less. Looking at past, anything older than 3 years is not a viable solution for deploying IPv6. So I feel th

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-10-02 Thread James Hess
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, John Curran wrote: > On Oct 2, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > Robert - >    You are matching nearly verbatim from ARIN's actual procedures for > recognizing a transfer via merger or acquisition.   The problem is compounded > because often the parties ap

RE: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread Brandon Kim
Don't have much to add other than Heath's response is pretty much what I would have said. It really all depends on your business needs as well as policy, or standards you need to meet > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 00:34:40 +0100 > Subject: Re: router lifetime > From: hj1...@gmail.com > To:

Re: router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread Heath Jones
> How long do you keep a router in production? > What is your cycle for replacement of equipment? Hi Franck It really depends on the type of network you are running, the rate at which new features & bandwidth are required, and the availability of software and hardware upgrades. Also, in a lot of

AS14202 - 'jacked routes... Whoa! This is just getting silly now!

2010-10-02 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
Somebody else on another mailing list I'm on actually found the following new 'jacking incident. Count 'em... one hundred and eighty three (183) separate jacked blocks. I can't take any credit. I wanted to include, in this posting, the name of the guy who actually found this stuff, and give him

router lifetime

2010-10-02 Thread Franck Martin
How long do you keep a router in production? What is your cycle for replacement of equipment? For a PC, you usually depreciate it over 3 years, and can make it last 5 years, but then you are stretching the functionality, especially if you upgrade the OS, tho it is not uncommon to see companie

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-10-02 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Oct 1, 2010, at 7:00 51PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:31 PM, George Bonser wrote: > >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wher...@gmail.com >>> Herrin >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:27 PM >>> To: George Bonser >>> Cc: Christopher Morrow; nanog@nanog.org >>>

Re: A New TransAtlantic Cable System

2010-10-02 Thread Frank A. Coluccio
Hi All. It appears we're discussing theoretical limits of silica-based glass here. The Press Release assertion talks about what a trader might experience. Hm. I would ask Rob Beck to clarify this point and inform whether the stated objective in the release accounts for the many o-e

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 10/2/10 10:59 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Brielle Bruns wrote: It took only a few days to be assigned our AS number, but that was after hair pulling, head banging on desk, and i-want-to-drink-every-night-after-work for a week or two while we figured out how to work around the ci

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-10-02 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > That _seems_ fairly simple [...] it's straightforward corporate > forensics, and the establishment of "provenence", or the > equivalent of an 'abstract of title' for real-estate. Hi Robert, It may seem simple but it only seems that way. The

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-10-02 Thread John Curran
On Oct 2, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > That _seems_ fairly simple -- can you trace a 'continuity of ownership from > the party that they were -originally- allocatd to to the party presently using > them. If yes, legiitmate, if no, hijacked. With most States corporation > records on-

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-10-02 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Fri Oct 1 16:33:09 > 2010 > From: John Curran > To: George Bonser > Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 17:32:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked? > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" > > George - >Full agreement; the next step is defining a determinis

Re: A New TransAtlantic Cable System

2010-10-02 Thread kris foster
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lga-lhr -- kris On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Jon Meek wrote: > One of the ways that I have tormented WAN vendors over the years is > with a plot of RTT vs. great circle distance between the end points of > a circuit. Most RTTs usually sit at some constant offset above

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread John Curran
On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:28 AM, William Herrin wrote: > The last few times I ran through the process, the hardest part was > getting ARIN to accept the ORG registration.One time we'd let the > state business registration expire by mistake. And the state > registration name didn't exactly match the bus

Re: Active Directory requires Microsoft DNS?

2010-10-02 Thread Rob Austein
At Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:45:09 +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > > What about dynamic updates of the client ? It's usually not > a problem in this direction (Windows client -> BIND DNS), but as you > say it won't be secure (GSS-TSIG). Recent versions of BIND 9 include GSS-TSIG suppor

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
We received our ASN in 2004 with a justification of "intend to multihome." Jeff On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Brielle Bruns wrote: > >> It took only a few days to be assigned our AS number, but that was after >> hair pulling, head banging on desk, and >>

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Owen DeLong
Usually this is easily solved with letters of intent to peer upon AS issuance from the two providers. Most providers will do this for you fairly easily. Owen On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > On 10/2/10 1:17 AM, Imran Moin wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> I was wondering how long it

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Brielle Bruns wrote: It took only a few days to be assigned our AS number, but that was after hair pulling, head banging on desk, and i-want-to-drink-every-night-after-work for a week or two while we figured out how to work around the circular "You need to have two upstream

RE: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... (Resource listings yes, resourcerouting no)

2010-10-02 Thread George Bonser
> > It's an individual decision of each organization choosing to accept and > further pass along the route. > > Like it or not, there is not "THE INTERNET" there is a set of > independent > networks operating under a commonly agreed framework of protocols. > Each network operator is free to accep

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 10/2/10 1:17 AM, Imran Moin wrote: Hello All, I was wondering how long it is taking ARIN these days to assign new IP block and AS Number. We are a new startup and looking to build our network over the next few months. It took only a few days to be assigned our AS number, but that was after

Re: A New TransAtlantic Cable System

2010-10-02 Thread Jon Meek
One of the ways that I have tormented WAN vendors over the years is with a plot of RTT vs. great circle distance between the end points of a circuit. Most RTTs usually sit at some constant offset above that Physics limit straight line. Circuits taking a less than ideal have their RTT far above the

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Imran Moin wrote: > I was wondering how long it is taking ARIN these days to assign new IP block > and AS Number. We are a new startup and looking to build our network over > the next few months. Imran, The last few times I ran through the process, the hardest par

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
The longest part of our 2009 prefix assignment was getting our accounts payable system to handle the additional supplier. If you have all of you documentation in order you can easily run through the process in two weeks. Joel's widget number 2 On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:19, Bret Clark wrote: > We

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Heath Jones
On 2 October 2010 08:17, Imran Moin wrote: > Hello All, > > I was wondering how long it is taking ARIN these days to assign new IP block > and AS Number. We are a new startup and looking to build our network over > the next few months. I think they are a bit preoccupied at the moment... ;) ps.

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Bret Clark
We just had to get another new block, took about 5 days. On 10/02/2010 03:17 AM, Imran Moin wrote: Hello All, I was wondering how long it is taking ARIN these days to assign new IP block and AS Number. We are a new startup and looking to build our network over the next few months. Thanks, Imra

Re: A New TransAtlantic Cable System

2010-10-02 Thread Heath Jones
On 2 October 2010 10:52, Rod Beck wrote: > Is that a straight line calculation or did you take into account that a > straight line is not the shortest path on a curved surface? Well that is pretty obvious to most, but no - I didn't go to the effort of factoring in curvature of the earth - especia

RE: A New TransAtlantic Cable System

2010-10-02 Thread Rod Beck
Is that a straight line calculation or did you take into account that a straight line is not the shortest path on a curved surface? -Original Message- From: d...@hetzel.org on behalf of Dorn Hetzel Sent: Fri 10/1/2010 3:11 PM To: Heath Jones Cc: Rod Beck; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: A N

ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Imran Moin
Hello All, I was wondering how long it is taking ARIN these days to assign new IP block and AS Number. We are a new startup and looking to build our network over the next few months. Thanks, Imran.