Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/5/2010 5:26 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Apr 5, 2010, at 5:08 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:36:26 EDT, Jon Lewis said: Since they only really need to be unique per broadcast domain, it doesn't really matter. You can I could use the same MAC addresses on al

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/5/2010 15:36, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, A.B. Jr. wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Lots of traffic recently about 64 bits being too short or too long. >> >> What about mac addresses? Aren't they close to exhaustion? Should be. Or it >> is assumed that mac addresses are being widely reused th

Re: legacy /8

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.04.05 09:20, Steve Bertrand wrote: > On 2010.04.02 19:29, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: >> Was looking for the "allocated" file on the ARIN website, but can't >> remember >> where it is. They used to have a file with one line per allocation that >> started >> like this "arin|US|ipv4". I

RE: Wireless bridge

2010-04-05 Thread Peter Boone
Hi Mike, Sorry for the misunderstanding, allow me to paraphrase: the link does not drop, actual throughput is now faster than our internet connection, and transfers have not been interrupted, so we are happy. As I mentioned, our previous setup could only work reliably when locked at 6 Mbps, and ev

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Franck Martin
- "Valdis Kletnieks" wrote: > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:26:53 EDT, "Patrick W. Gilmore" said: > > I'm 3COM, I made ISA 10Base2 / 10Base5 cards in the 90s. I run out > of > > MAC addresses. Instead of going to get more - if I even can! - I > > recycle those MAC addresses > > There were severa

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:26:53 EDT, "Patrick W. Gilmore" said: > I'm 3COM, I made ISA 10Base2 / 10Base5 cards in the 90s. I run out of > MAC addresses. Instead of going to get more - if I even can! - I > recycle those MAC addresses There were several cases of production run errors from multiple ve

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Apr 5, 2010, at 5:08 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:36:26 EDT, Jon Lewis said: > >> Since they only really need to be unique per broadcast domain, it doesn't >> really matter. You can I could use the same MAC addresses on all our home >> gear, and never know it.

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Bill Stewart
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > On Apr 5, 2010, at 1:43 52PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >> Steve is talking mid-80s pricing, not mid-90s.  By '93 or so, the fact >> that Ethernet was becoming ubiquitous had already forced the price down. > > Yup.  10 years earlier, a

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:36:26 EDT, Jon Lewis said: > Since they only really need to be unique per broadcast domain, it doesn't > really matter. You can I could use the same MAC addresses on all our home > gear, and never know it. For manufacturers, it's probably reasonably safe > to reuse MAC

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Apr 5, 2010, at 4:58 59PM, Barry Shein wrote: > > On April 5, 2010 at 13:51 s...@cs.columbia.edu (Steven Bellovin) wrote: >> >> Yup. 10 years earlier, a 3Com Ethernet card for a Vax cost about $1500, if >> memory serves. > > Early-mid 80s? I'd say at least twice that, I don't think there

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Barry Shein
On April 5, 2010 at 13:51 s...@cs.columbia.edu (Steven Bellovin) wrote: > > Yup. 10 years earlier, a 3Com Ethernet card for a Vax cost about $1500, if > memory serves. Early-mid 80s? I'd say at least twice that, I don't think there were too many cards for Vaxes and similar for less than $5K

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, A.B. Jr. wrote: Hi, Lots of traffic recently about 64 bits being too short or too long. What about mac addresses? Aren't they close to exhaustion? Should be. Or it is assumed that mac addresses are being widely reused throughout the world? All those low cost switches and wi

Re: Wireless bridge

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
No, you are not pushing a stable '54mbps over the link without issue'. More likely, if you cared to look, you are getting somewhere around 30-35mbps, HALF DUPLEX. The '54mbps' advertised on the shiny sales brochure, is a signaling rate and not a measure of thruput. Mike- Bret Clark wrote:

Common statistics from your NOC

2010-04-05 Thread Kasper Adel
Hello, I want to collect experience from the Gurus on this mailer on how they make use of the data they can get from NOC. what i mean by data, trouble tickets opened internally or with vendors. I wonder what would be common or even uncommon type of statistics that a network operator would like to

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 05/04/2010 18:51, Steven Bellovin wrote: Yup. 10 years earlier, a 3Com Ethernet card for a Vax cost about $1500, if memory serves. To be fair, everything for a vax was somewhat pricey. And slow. On an even more unrelated note, does anyone remember the day that CMU-TEK tcp/ip stopped wor

Re: interop show network (was: legacy /8)

2010-04-05 Thread Leo Vegoda
On 5 Apr 2010, at 9:13, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Christopher Morrow wrote: [...] > If we could recover them all, how many more years of IPv4 allocations > would that buy us? We allocate RIRs approximately one /8 per month. So you'd have to reclaim 12 /8s to extend the allocation

Re: Wireless bridge

2010-04-05 Thread Bret Clark
Peter Boone wrote: I purchased 2x Ubiquity Bullet2's (2.4 GHz) and utilized our existing antennas. It has been working extremely well, pushing a stable 54 Mbps over the link without issue. Signal strength is consistently -40 dBm +/- 2 dBm, from about -80 dBm before! Total cost included 2x Bull

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Apr 5, 2010, at 1:43 52PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:29:20 EDT, Jay Nakamura said: I would have attributed the success of Ethernet to price! >>> You've got the causality wrong -- it wasn't cheap, way back when. >> >> I remember back in '93~94ish

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:29:20 EDT, Jay Nakamura said: > >> I would have attributed the success of Ethernet to price! > >> > >> > > You've got the causality wrong -- it wasn't cheap, way back when. > > I remember back in '93~94ish (I think) you could get a off brand 10BT > card for less than $100, a

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Jay Nakamura
>> I would have attributed the success of Ethernet to price! >> >> > You've got the causality wrong -- it wasn't cheap, way back when. I remember back in '93~94ish (I think) you could get a off brand 10BT card for less than $100, as oppose to Token Ring which was $300~400. I can't remember anythin

Re: Juniper's artificial feature blocking (was legacy /8)

2010-04-05 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Michael Sokolov wrote: > Tore Anderson wrote: > >> Juniper.  If you want to run OSPFv3 on their layer 3 switches, you need >> a quite expensive "advanced" licence.  OSPFv2, on the other hand, is >> included in the base licence. > > Really?  My level of respect for

Re: Juniper's artificial feature blocking (was legacy /8)

2010-04-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 4, 2010, at 2:07 PM, James Hess wrote: > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Michael Sokolov > wrote: >> feature blocking seems to negate that. I mean, how could their >> disabled-until-you-pay blocking of "premium features" be effective if a >> user can get to the underlying Unix OS, shell,

Re: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ?

2010-04-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 4, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2010, at 3:08 16PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >>> File transfer wasn't multihop >> >> It was, for at least some versions (V2 and later?), if the intermediate >> site(s) allowed execution of the uucp command. 25 years on the bra

RE: Wireless bridge

2010-04-05 Thread Peter Boone
Hi NANOG, I promised to post an update down the line on what happened with my wireless situation. Here it is. I purchased 2x Ubiquity Bullet2's (2.4 GHz) and utilized our existing antennas. It has been working extremely well, pushing a stable 54 Mbps over the link without issue. Signal strength i

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Apr 5, 2010, at 12:09 02PM, Jay Nakamura wrote: >> negotiation and backward compatibility. I think that one of the >> reasons for the continuing success of "Ethernet" technologies has been >> implementation simplicity and 100% compatibility above the level of >> the NIC. > > I would have att

RE: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ? (Jim Mercer)

2010-04-05 Thread Joel M Snyder
>The ability to build dirt-cheap networks over crappy phone lines >and using some no-name PCs as message and packet routers was >noticed, see for example: "Developing Networks in Less >Industrialized Nations" by Larry Press Heck, I even wrote my PhD dissertation (http://www.opus1.com/www/jms/dis

RE: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ?

2010-04-05 Thread Joe
I think its generally agreed that FTP is used for file transfers, but unfortunately the option exists to attach files within an email thanks in part to MS/AOL/Compuserve and numerous others long ago. I believe its due in part to ease of use for those that aren't technically inclined to kno

Re: interop show network (was: legacy /8)

2010-04-05 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: > > If we could recover them all, how many more years of IPv4 allocations would > that buy us? > > Not enough. > -- > Jon Lewis | I route > Senior Network

Re: interop show network (was: legacy /8)

2010-04-05 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Christopher Morrow wrote: also, see previous 12 episodes of this conversation.. 1 /8 == ~3months in ARIN allocation timeframes. Does a trade show really need 16M IPv4 addresses though? How many other /8's were assigned way back when IPv4 was being given out so freely that

Re: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ?

2010-04-05 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/5/2010 10:21, Michael Sokolov wrote: > Jim Mercer wrote: > >> if the script determined an email was > X bytes (100k?), the message body >> was rewritten with: >> >> "Contents removed at LSUC, email is not a file transport protocol." >> and the mail was left to continue on its path. >> >> i k

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Jay Nakamura
> negotiation and backward compatibility.  I think that one of the > reasons for the continuing success of "Ethernet" technologies has been > implementation simplicity and 100% compatibility above the level of > the NIC. I would have attributed the success of Ethernet to price!

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:05 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 4/4/2010 7:57 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 10:57:46AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: >>> >>> Has anybody considered lobbying the IEEE to do a point to point version >>> of Ethernet to gets rid of addressing field

Re: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ?

2010-04-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 03 April 2010 09:38:46 pm IPv3.com wrote: > What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ? 'The Internet' is a collective internetworking of several thousand autonomous systems, using a common protocol, that masquerades as a unified whole. Whether this protocol is 1822, NCP, or IPvX

Re: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ?

2010-04-05 Thread Michael Sokolov
Jim Mercer wrote: > if the script determined an email was > X bytes (100k?), the message body > was rewritten with: > > "Contents removed at LSUC, email is not a file transport protocol." > and the mail was left to continue on its path. > > i kinda feel like adding the same script back into my se

Re: CPE Ethernet switch suggestions

2010-04-05 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Although also being a small SOHO switch, may be Netgear GS-108T can suit your needs. > I want remove the initial staging step by allowing the installer to just > plug the switch in and have the switch grab a config from a TFTP server > noted by a DHCP option. Not quite, it can download config fr

Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 27, Issue 25

2010-04-05 Thread Russell Berg
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Re: legacy /8

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.04.02 19:29, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Majdi S. Abbas" > To: "John Palmer (NANOG Acct)" > Cc: "NANOG list" > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: legacy /8 > > >> On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 05:48:44PM -0500, John Palmer (NANOG

Re: Auto MDI/MDI-X + conference rooms + bored == loop

2010-04-05 Thread John Payne
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Mark Foster wrote: or reboot is problematic in many cases. Many systems drop link- state during reboot for a long-enough period that the bridge-port restarts its spanning tree process, making results across reboots consistently bad. Interesting; Windows ten

Re: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ?

2010-04-05 Thread Vadim Antonov
It wasn't Moscow State U. It was privately-owned network (called RELCOM) from the day one (which was in 1990, not 1987... in 1987 connecting a dial-up modem to phone network was still illegal in the USSR), built by DEMOS co-op (that company is still alive, by the way). Moscow State U was one of

Re: legacy /8

2010-04-05 Thread Franck Martin
Do like the Chinese if you want a feature put out a billion dollar tender with the feature mandatory and they will rush to do it Toute connaissance est une réponse à une question On 5/04/2010, at 14:48, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:41 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: On 4/

Re: What is "The Internet" TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ?

2010-04-05 Thread Jim Mercer
i remember implementing quasi-QoS on uucp. after having our modem pool hogged too many times by a select few users, i put a script into our mail system. if the script determined an email was > X bytes (100k?), the message body was rewritten with: "Contents removed at LSUC, email is not a file t

Re: CPE Ethernet switch suggestions

2010-04-05 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:04:25 -0400 ML wrote: > Lately I've been delivering triple play services over a single CAT5 drop > from a IDF to customers. We have been using small SOHO switches but > they've been turning into a bit of a hassle since we have to stage each > switch before deployment. > >