RE: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread Vadim Antonov
> I can see situations in the future where people's lives could be > dependent on networks working properly, or at least endangered if a > network fails. Actually it's not the future. My father's design bureau was making hardware, since 70s (including network stuff) for running industrial process

The Cidr Report

2009-12-25 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Dec 25 21:11:26 2009 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2009-12-25 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 17-Dec-09 -to- 24-Dec-09 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS984249612 3.7%3100.8 -- LDCC-AS Lotte Data Communication Company 2 - AS6389

BCPs, Exercising emergency process et al

2009-12-25 Thread Jared Mauch
On Dec 25, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Vadim Antonov wrote: > The pre-planned emergency checklists may be a good idea for network > operators. Try obvious (when you're calm, that's it) actions first, if > they fail to help, try to limit damage. Only then go file the ticket and > talk to people who can in

RE: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread Frank Bulk
Shops where engineering and operations function separately can suffer from reduced efficiencies. A recent example comes to mind. Vendor X was onsite turning up some equipment, including a small VPN concentrator for remote access. It was a new model of VPN concentrator that the installers hadn't

RE: Article on spammers and their infrastructure

2009-12-25 Thread O'Reirdan, Michael
I expect the ARIN and RIPE folks may be influential and as such, it could be a good idea for them to attend. Mike From: Jon Lewis [mailto:jle...@lewis.org] Sent: Thu 12/24/2009 3:13 PM To: O'Reirdan, Michael Cc: J.D. Falk; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Article

RE: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread George Bonser
> What I'm getting at is that after following this thread for a while, > I'm not convinced any amount of process-borrowing is going to solve > problems better, faster, or even avoid them in the first place. At > best, our craft is 1/3rd as "old" (if that's somehow I measure of > maturity) as flight

Weekly Routing Table Report

2009-12-25 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
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Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread bross
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009, Scott Howard wrote: His actions were then "subject to the consensus of those on the conference bridge" (ie, ATC) who could have denied his actions if they believed they would have made the situation worse (ie, if what they were proposing would have had them on a collision co

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 01:09:26PM -0500, Randy Bush wrote: > > I _do_ create action plans and _do_ quarterback each step and _do_ > > slap down any attempt to deviate. > > imagine a network engineering culture where the concept of 'attempt to > deviate' just does not occur. Whimsical deviations

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread Anton Kapela
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Vadim Antonov wrote: > The ISP industry has a long way to go until it reaches the same level of > sophistication in handling problems as aviation has. It seems that there's a logical fallacy floating around somewhere (networks have parts and are complicated, airp

RE: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009, Vadim Antonov wrote: The ISP industry has a long way to go until it reaches the same level of sophistication in handling problems as aviation has. Well, to counter this one might talk about the medical business (doctors) which hasn't been able to embrace the checklists at

RE: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread Vadim Antonov
Just clearing a small point about pilots (I'm a pilot) - the pilot-in-command has ultimate responsibility for his a/c and can ignore whatever ATC tells him to do if he considers that to be contrary to the safety of his flight (he may be asked to explain his actions later, though). Now, usually ign

RE: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread George Bonser
I think any network engineer who sees a major problem is going to have a "Houston, we have a problem" moment. And actually, he was telling the ATC what he was going to need to do, he wasn't getting permission so much as telling them what he was doing so traffic could be cleared out of his way. Fir