Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Randy Bush
> At the risk of sounding like a politician I will actually state that the > physical/private interest topology of the fiber network in the United States > is incredibly prohibitive of the advances that you guys are talking about. > The big picture here is table scraps to equipment manufacturers no

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Will Clayton
Now just imagine that people inside the big firewall could tell you how they engineered multi-gig FTTTVs. At the risk of sounding like a politician I will actually state that the physical/private interest topology of the fiber network in the United States is incredibly prohibitive of the advances

Re: DNS query analyzer

2009-12-01 Thread Stefan Fouant
DNStop is a real good tool for what it does. It's an exceptionally useful tool and probably at the top of my list for deciphering DoS attacks targetting or amplifying against DNS resolvers. But for RTT and timeouts, errr not so good. Sorry for the top post. Stupid Blackberry... Regards, Stef

Re: DNS query analyzer

2009-12-01 Thread jul
Joseph Jackson wrote on 01/12/09 01:06: Anyone know of a tool that can take a pcap file from wireshark that was used to collect dns queries and then spit out statistics about the queries such as RTT and timeouts? You also have DNSTop http://dns.measurement-factory.com/tools/dnstop/ Best reg

Re: DNS query analyzer

2009-12-01 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Tony Finch wrote: > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Joseph Jackson wrote: >> >> Anyone know of a tool that can take a pcap file from wireshark that was >> used to collect dns queries and then spit out statistics about the >> queries such as RTT and timeouts? > > I don't know i

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Randy Bush
> actually, the killer here is PMTU... there is almost no way to > effectively utilize the BW when the MTU is locked to 1500 bytes. and the reality, e.g. ntt b-flets, is often pppoe v4-only, which is lower. randy

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Jared Mauch
On Dec 1, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Paul Wall wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Dan White wrote: >> All valid points. Deploying a strand to each customer from the CO/Cabinet >> is a good way to future proof your plant. > > I would argue that every customer is entitled to duplex fiber. I'll set

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Chris Hills
On 01/12/09 20:06, Byron Hicks wrote: > These were the numbers presented at an Internet2 meeting about the 4k > testing happening between UCSD and UW. I'm not sure what compression > algorithm they were using for the test. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/09/super_hi_vision.html "The

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Brown/Clack/ESD
> You could deploy 2 or 3 strands and get more bandwidth to the customer, > using perhaps less expensive hardware, or you could maintain fewer strands > in the ground and depend on equipment manufactures to maintain an adequate > growth in bandwidth capabilities. > > Neither approach is going to wo

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:07:42PM +, James Bensley wrote: > I'm wondering why despite all this comparatively magical speed > increase we have seen over the last decade, with 10 times better on > the horizon, we the customer ever get a 1:1 speed ratio? speed kills... actually,

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 02:33:20PM -0500, Paul Wall wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Dan White wrote: > > All valid points. Deploying a strand to each customer from the CO/Cabinet > > is a good way to future proof your plant. > > I would argue that every customer is entitled to duplex fi

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Dan White
On 01/12/09 14:33 -0500, Paul Wall wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Dan White wrote: All valid points. Deploying a strand to each customer from the CO/Cabinet is a good way to future proof your plant. I would argue that every customer is entitled to duplex fiber. In the case of PON,

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread James Bensley
I'm wondering why despite all this comparatively magical speed increase we have seen over the last decade, with 10 times better on the horizon, we the customer ever get a 1:1 speed ratio? -- Regards, James ;) Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs.

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Paul Wall
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Dan White wrote: > All valid points. Deploying a strand to each customer from the CO/Cabinet > is a good way to future proof your plant. I would argue that every customer is entitled to duplex fiber. Drive Slow, Paul Wall

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Justin Shore
Dan White wrote: All valid points. Deploying a strand to each customer from the CO/Cabinet is a good way to future proof your plant. However, there are some advantages to GPON - particularly if you're deploying high bandwidth video services. PON ONTs share 2.4Gb/s of bandwidth downstream, which

RE: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Deepak Jain
> If, 10 years ago (1999) when most internet-connected homes still used > dialup, you had suggested that ISPs would be putting in gigabit > services > to homes, people would have laughed. Yet today, here we are talking > about gig feeds. I wonder how much bandwidth homes will be using 10 > years

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Byron Hicks
These were the numbers presented at an Internet2 meeting about the 4k testing happening between UCSD and UW. I'm not sure what compression algorithm they were using for the test. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Byron Hicks said: >> 4k video feeds (the ne

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Michael Holstein
> I wonder how much bandwidth homes will be using 10 years from now... 100% of it (if you let us). Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Byron Hicks said: > 4k video feeds (the new High Def): > > compressed: 1Gb/s ?? Current over-the-air HD (at a max of 1080i) is up to 19 megabits per second (and most don't run it that high). Most cable systems compress it more. 4k video is roughly 8 times the pixels than 108

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, JC Dill wrote: If, 10 years ago (1999) when most internet-connected homes still used dialup, you had suggested that ISPs would be putting in gigabit services to homes, people would have laughed. Yet today, here we are talking about gig feeds. I wonder how much bandwidth ho

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Byron Hicks
4k video feeds (the new High Def): compressed: 1Gb/s uncompressed: 9Gb/s On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:39 PM, JC Dill wrote: > Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >> >> You don't need to supply more than a gig per household, > > "640K ought to be enough for anybody. "  (oft mis-attributed to Bill Gates) >  ht

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread JC Dill
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: You don't need to supply more than a gig per household, "640K ought to be enough for anybody. " (oft mis-attributed to Bill Gates) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates If, 10 years ago (1999) when most internet-connected homes still used dialup, you had sugg

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Dan White wrote: However, there are some advantages to GPON - particularly if you're deploying high bandwidth video services. PON ONTs share 2.4Gb/s of bandwidth downstream, which means you can support more than a gig of video on each PON, if deploying in dense mode. You do

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Justin Shore wrote: > Luke Marrott wrote: >> I'm wondering what everyones thoughts are in regards to FTTH using Active >> Ethernet or Passive. I work for a FTTH Provider that has done Active >> Ethernet on a few networks so I'm always biased in discussions, but I >

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Dan White
On 01/12/09 10:43 -0600, Justin Shore wrote: Active is the way to go. Passive is merely a stepping stone on the way to active. Passive only makes sense (in some cases) if you are 1) fiber poor and 2) not doing a greenfield deployment. If you have the fiber to work with or if you are build

Re: FTTH Active vs Passive

2009-12-01 Thread Justin Shore
Luke Marrott wrote: I'm wondering what everyones thoughts are in regards to FTTH using Active Ethernet or Passive. I work for a FTTH Provider that has done Active Ethernet on a few networks so I'm always biased in discussions, but I don't know anyone with experience in PON. Active is the way to

Re: DNS query analyzer

2009-12-01 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Joseph Jackson wrote: > > Anyone know of a tool that can take a pcap file from wireshark that was > used to collect dns queries and then spit out statistics about the > queries such as RTT and timeouts? I don't know if it'll do exactly what you want, but have a look at https:/

Re: DNS query analyzer

2009-12-01 Thread Phil Regnauld
Joseph Jackson (jjackson) writes: > Hey List! > > Anyone know of a tool that can take a pcap file from wireshark that was used > to collect dns queries and then spit out statistics about the queries such as > RTT and timeouts? I don't know if DSC does this, but check it out: ht