Re: Residential BW Planning

2009-08-12 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, sjk wrote: I am trying to perform some capacity planning for some of our residential pops, but the old calcs I used to use seem useless -- as they were adapted from the dialup days and relied upon a percentage of users online (~50%) and a percentage of concurrent transmissio

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06:49PM -0400, Joe Provo wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:16:38PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > [snip] > > Unfortunately the distributed nature of the databases is one of the > > biggest problems with the IRR system. Anyone can run an irrd, there is > > You

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:16:38PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: [snip] > Unfortunately the distributed nature of the databases is one of the > biggest problems with the IRR system. Anyone can run an irrd, there is You misspelled "largest strength". FOlks get to choose which registries to

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 05:55:10PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 05:41:03PM -0400, Joe Provo wrote: > > Most ISPs don't have that level of management clue & willpower, as the > > same "but they will go to $competator who doesn't require it!" which > > has screwed u

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:37:00PM -0500, Frank Bulk wrote: >> Perhaps this is a stupid question, but does each SP need to run their own >> physical RR?  Isn't this something that could be hosted? > > The data itself is stored on a dis

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:37:00PM -0500, Frank Bulk wrote: > Perhaps this is a stupid question, but does each SP need to run their own > physical RR? Isn't this something that could be hosted? The data itself is stored on a distributed network of databases, so there is technically no reason any

"OT" EVDO Technologies

2009-08-12 Thread Elijah Savage
I would appreciate if anyone would be gracious enough to contact me offline in reference to extending EVDO connectivity. I am looking for a reputable kit for extending antenna's connecting to HWIC's. Thank you

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread mkarir
Hi Jared, You should give the new RADB portal a try. We were trying to do pretty much what you describe. Dont know what web2.0 is but the new portal is a web based object management system complete with "recommended" changes and inconsistency lists. We just added prefix allocation check with b

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: I would make the opposite argument, my business would NEVER go to any network which didn't support IRR (and a bunch of other simple but important things, like a full set of non-secret BGP communities). It's amazing the number of networks that exc

RE: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Frank Bulk
Perhaps this is a stupid question, but does each SP need to run their own physical RR? Isn't this something that could be hosted? Frank -Original Message- From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:r...@e-gerbil.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:55 PM To: Joe Provo Cc: nanog@nanog.org Su

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 05:41:03PM -0400, Joe Provo wrote: > Most ISPs don't have that level of management clue & willpower, as the > same "but they will go to $competator who doesn't require it!" which > has screwed up everything from domain registration to responsible BGP > announcements fouls

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Ricky Beam
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:57:07 -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: I've come to the conclusion that if someone put a nice web2.0+ interface on creating and managing these objects it would be a lot easier. If there were a customer portal where you could visit to say "update my prefix-list/acl to includ

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:30:38PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: [snip] > While a web 2.0 app would be very nice, it's really not that hard to do > now. You do need the IRRToolSet or something similar. the IRRToolSet has > languished for a long time and was getting harder and harder to keep > running

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:12:39 -0500 > From: Justin Shore > > Jared Mauch wrote: > > I've come to the conclusion that if someone put a nice web2.0+ interface > > on creating and managing these objects it would be a lot easier. > > I've looked into IRR several times, usually after events like

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:57:07PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: > > I've come to the conclusion that if someone put a nice web2.0+ > interface on creating and managing these objects it would be a lot > easier. Agreed, this is one of the projects I've been working on just haven't had the time to

Re: Visualizing BGP paths

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Jager
On 13/08/09 03:38, Dylan Ebner wrote: I have been working on a project to better illustrate for our manages the provider path data takes when it flows from one of our customers to our datacenter. I have tried to use trace routes to illustrate the number of hops data takes, but when I try to show

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Justin Shore
Jared Mauch wrote: I've come to the conclusion that if someone put a nice web2.0+ interface on creating and managing these objects it would be a lot easier. I've looked into IRR several times, usually after events like PCCW. Each time the amount of work to 1) figure out how to implement IRR an

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Jared Mauch
On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Joe Provo wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:20:28AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Drew Weaver wrote: Anyone know why SAAVIS would be allowing PEER1 (AS 13768) to advertise routes

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:20:28AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Drew Weaver wrote: > >>Anyone know why SAAVIS would be allowing PEER1 (AS 13768) to advertise > >>routes for whatever IP addresses they want? > >sa

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:20 PM, wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Drew Weaver >> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know why SAAVIS would be allowing PEER1 (AS 13768) to advertise >>> routes for whatever IP addresses they want? >> >> sadly savvis di

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread goemon
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Drew Weaver wrote: Anyone know why SAAVIS would be allowing PEER1 (AS 13768) to advertise routes for whatever IP addresses they want? sadly savvis didn't learn the pccw lesson, which is also the turk-telecom lesson

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Scott Howard
Some further press on it : http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136558/Update_Asian_undersea_cable_disruption_slows_Internet_access http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/communications/0,39044192,62056838,00.htm In the past hour we've seen latency and packet loss return to almost normal (we were seeing

Re: Visualizing BGP paths

2009-08-12 Thread Brian Raaen
At least in Debian and Ubuntu Linux there is a traceroute utility that gives path ASN's. It is ironically called traceroute-nanog. If I do a `traceroute-nanog -AO $destination` I get all the ASN info. -- - Brian Raaen Network Engineer email: /bra...@zcorum.com/

Re: IM based BGP route-server interface

2009-08-12 Thread mkarir
All, Thanks to all who responded and provided useful feedback. We had an overwhelmingly positive response. We have incorporated a bunch of comments into the new version of the bot that is currently live. Some of the most visible changes are: - added minimal support for ping and traceroute fr

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Ethern M., Lin
> Latest news: > > The typhoon Morakot cause rare debris flow under sea and damage many > cable systems at southern Taiwan more than earthquake at 2005/12/25. Its 2006/12/26, not 2005. cheers, Ethern > > Announced by CHT, Chunghwa telecom: > > http://english.cna.com.tw/ReadNews/Detail.aspx?pSear

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Ethern M., Lin
Latest news: The typhoon Morakot cause rare debris flow under sea and damage many cable systems at southern Taiwan more than earthquake at 2005/12/25. Announced by CHT, Chunghwa telecom: http://english.cna.com.tw/ReadNews/Detail.aspx?pSearchDate=&pNewsID=200908120038&pType1=ED&pType0=xEMST&pType

175/8 and 182/8 allocated to APNIC

2009-08-12 Thread Leo Vegoda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, The IANA IPv4 registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of two /8 IPv4 blocks to APNIC in August 2009: 175/8 and 182/8. You can find the IANA IPv4 registry at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml ht

RE: Visualizing BGP paths

2009-08-12 Thread Dylan Ebner
I use BGPLay for showing our connected status, but it doesn't let me put in a source IP/AS and a destination IP/AS. BGPlay is very helpful though. Dylan Ebner -Original Message- From: Jarno Lähteenmäki [mailto:jarno.lahteenm...@imate.fi] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:44 AM To:

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Ethern M., Lin
Actually I can't tell you more about this. I am just have this info from my IPLC provider, and its just a gossip, not formal one as I mention. Its just happened that one cable system down on 8/9, the exact day of typhoon attacked Taiwan quite badly. Maybe someone can share more detailed info and

Re: Visualizing BGP paths

2009-08-12 Thread Steve Bertrand
Dylan Ebner wrote: > I have been working on a project to better illustrate for our manages > the provider path data takes when it flows from one of our customers to > our datacenter. I have tried to use trace routes to illustrate the > number of hops data takes, but when I try to show many sources

Visualizing BGP paths

2009-08-12 Thread Dylan Ebner
I have been working on a project to better illustrate for our manages the provider path data takes when it flows from one of our customers to our datacenter. I have tried to use trace routes to illustrate the number of hops data takes, but when I try to show many sources on one page, it gets fairly

NANOG Program Committee Nominations open September 08 2009

2009-08-12 Thread David Meyer
Folks, Following up on Joe's message, I wanted to remind folks that we are approaching the annual NANOG election and appointment time, and to ask you to consider nominating qualified folks for the NANOG Program Committee. The Program Committee is a

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Dorn Hetzel
Do typhoons/hurricanes tend to damage cables in shallow water near the landing sites, tear up the landing sites themselves, or do damage in deeper water somehow? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ethern M., Lin wrote: > Update: > > The submarine cable down first is EAC since 8/9. FNAL down > tod

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Ethern M., Lin
Update: The submarine cable down first is EAC since 8/9. FNAL down today(8/12). The cause might be typhone Morakot. Hongkong seems the most critical impact by these cable down. cheers, Ethern = Ethern Lin Network Division Computing Center, ACADEMIA SINICA Phone: +886

Re: Residential BW Planning

2009-08-12 Thread Joe Maimon
Hector Herrera wrote: After 1 year and about 2000 customers in each package, we found that the average consumption was 0.2 Mbps per customer in a) and 0.35 Mbps per customer in b) 4000 residential customers at an average of 1.1Gbps? Wonder what the 95th looked like. Seems a bit high. H

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Ken Gilmour
I just chatted to my contact in SG (over Instant Messenger) who said they barely even noticed a problem. The provider is Star Hub. 2009/8/12 Gaurab Raj Upadhaya : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Scott Howard wrote: > >> At that time the cause was a cable fault somewhere in/ne

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Drew Weaver wrote: > Anyone know why SAAVIS would be allowing PEER1 (AS 13768) to advertise routes > for whatever IP addresses they want? sadly savvis didn't learn the pccw lesson, which is also the turk-telecom lesson which is also the as7007 lesson which is... f

Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Drew Weaver
Anyone know why SAAVIS would be allowing PEER1 (AS 13768) to advertise routes for whatever IP addresses they want? route-views.oregon-ix.net>sh ip bgp 173.45.110.0 | i 13768 2905 701 3561 13768 1221 4637 3561 13768 3549 3561 13768 3277 3267 174 3561 13768 6539 3561 13768 16150 3549 35

Anyone have a highly available SAAVIS network contact?

2009-08-12 Thread Drew Weaver
Off-list, please. Thanks, -Drew

Re: Residential BW Planning

2009-08-12 Thread Jack Bates
Hector Herrera wrote: After 1 year and about 2000 customers in each package, we found that the average consumption was 0.2 Mbps per customer in a) and 0.35 Mbps per customer in b) Although it's wise to plan for peak average, and depending on your service levels, keep enough cover room (though

RE: Residential BW Planning

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Stewart
This may have changed a bit - but we used to use 2000 high speed = 100 meg of capacity. Based on 5000/800 ADSL or 8000/1000 cable modem profiles mainly... Paul -Original Message- From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:06 PM To: 'sjk'; nanog@nanog.o

Re: Another fiber cut near Taiwan ? due to Typhoon Morakot ?

2009-08-12 Thread Gaurab Raj Upadhaya
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Howard wrote: > At that time the cause was a cable fault somewhere in/near Japan, but at > this stage I'm not sure if this is the same problem or not. > Now confirmed that APCN2, C2C and EAC are cut. also unconfirmed reports of SMW2 and SWM3 a