SLA packet loss base

2009-04-07 Thread 정치영
Hi all, I wonder where we can find the base of packet loss rate of Global famous provider. For example, the packet loss value of Sprint and NTT-Verio is same 0.3 % at their SLA. Best regards Chiyoung = Chi-Young Joung SAMSUNG NETWORKS Inc. Email:

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread ubaidali_abdul_razack
For Defense in depth I would use multi-tiered approach. Stateless ACL at Border for bound checks Stateful FW for Checking sessions Outbound ACLs on Innerchoke points Application Intelligence and DDOS mitigation by IPS between Border and Firewall Endpoint Security using Enterprise Anti-Virus agent

nytimes.com: How the Internet Got Its Rules

2009-04-07 Thread Tony Patti
Hopefully these RFC's have (in sum total over the last 40 years) sufficient operational content to merit mention per the NANOG AUP. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. t...@swalter.com http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/opinion/07crocker.html?_r=1&emc=eta1 How the Internet Got Its Rules By

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:05 AM, Michael Helmeste wrote: However, I wanted to get other opinions of what packet filtering solutions people use in the border and in the core, and why. Stateless ACLs in hardware at the edge are important both for infrastructure self-protection (i.e., iACLs) and

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:20:34 +1000 Karl Auer wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:46 +1200, Nathan Ward wrote: > > > I'd be interested to hear why people use firewalls. > > > End hosts are not always trustworthy. > > > > If a host is compromised, should it be able to send anything and > > everyt

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:46 +1200, Nathan Ward wrote: > > I'd be interested to hear why people use firewalls. > End hosts are not always trustworthy. > > If a host is compromised, should it be able to send anything and > everything out to the public network? A packet filter looks at the "top s

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Nathan Ward
On 8/04/2009, at 10:32 AM, Karl Auer wrote: I'd be interested to hear why people use firewalls. I've never felt the need, myself - am I living in a fool's paradise? End hosts are not always trustworthy. If a host is compromised, should it be able to send anything and everything out to th

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 07:04 +0930, Mark Smith wrote: > It seems there is a trend towards moving host protection on to the > hosts themselves, onto or closer to the resource or entity being > protected. It's basically following the cliche, "If you want something > to be done properly, you need to do

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Michael Helmeste
While there are no specific audit requirements, overall traffic auditing (not just for dropped packets) is definitely something I'm considering. One way of gathering this data without using a firewall would seem to be netflow; I don't think netflow specifically calls out (or even shows?) traffic bl

Call for participants, NANOG 46: ISP Security BOF

2009-04-07 Thread Warren Kumari
Hello all, So, for once in my life I have not left things till the last minute :-) NANOG 46 is still a ways off, but I'd like to invite y'all to start thinking about topics for the ISP Security BOF, either things that you would like to present, or things that you are interested in and would

RE: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Crooks, Sam
Beware off using ACL filtering on 6500s with many vlans (100+) and long acls (hundred+ lines)... You'll soon find out more than you ever wanted to know about TCAM, different TCAM types used in various sup's and what the limitations imposed by TCAM on processing ACLs in hardware... Sam Crooks

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:05:31 -0700 Michael Helmeste wrote: > Hi all, > One of the duties of my current place of employ is reorganizing the > network. We have a few Catalyst 6500 series L3 switches, but currently > do all packet filtering (and some routing) using a software based > firewall. Don

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Matthew Petach
On 4/7/09, Michael Helmeste wrote: > Hi all, > One of the duties of my current place of employ is reorganizing the > network. We have a few Catalyst 6500 series L3 switches, but currently > do all packet filtering (and some routing) using a software based > firewall. Don't ask me, I didn't de

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Eric Gauthier
Michael, Do you have logging or audit requirements to your filters? We use ACLs almost everywhere for non-stateful filtering, but there are a few locations (e.g. HIPPA) that require an audit trail which is perhaps better accomplished by a firewall. Eric :) On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 01:05:31PM -0

Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-07 Thread Charles Wyble
Been troubleshooting a very strange problem for a couple of weeks now. I have a few hundred systems deployed throughout the United States utilizing EVDO connectivity with Verizon as a carrier. They are stationary. Over the past few weeks clusters of them in SF and Lewisville TX and a few othe

Re: ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Michael Helmeste wrote: Current security requirements are only based on TCP and non-stateful UDP src/dst net/port filtering, and so my suggestion was to use ACLs applied on the routed interface of each VLAN. There was some talk of using another software based firewall or a C

ACLs vs. full firewalls

2009-04-07 Thread Michael Helmeste
Hi all, One of the duties of my current place of employ is reorganizing the network. We have a few Catalyst 6500 series L3 switches, but currently do all packet filtering (and some routing) using a software based firewall. Don't ask me, I didn't design it :) Current security requirements are o

Re: AS6079

2009-04-07 Thread Colin Alston
On 2009/04/07 03:33 PM Chris Jackman wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:53:07AM +0200, Colin Alston wrote: I've reported spam to this AS before, and I don't recall ever getting a response. I'm wondering how many others see spam from it? Is it worth while continuing or should I just stop accept

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-07 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Leo Bicknell writes: > "shipping", no, "moving" yes. > > In past lives I've hired the same good folks who you might use to > move your house to move entire racks. The major moving companies > have teams who have experience with eletronic equipment, including > full racks. Any quality 4 post ra

AS6079

2009-04-07 Thread Colin Alston
I've reported spam to this AS before, and I don't recall ever getting a response. I'm wondering how many others see spam from it? Is it worth while continuing or should I just stop accepting SMTP from there? They seem to have some dubious customers hosted on there, a large amount seems to co